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When my Grandfather Arthur Jack White re-married in 1921 he is listed as 'Widower' on the marriage certificate. He is listed as single and living in Ilford on the 1911 Census and his army records that I hold tell me he was married and living in Cheriton, Kent in 1920. With such a common name there are many possible marriages during that period and of course he may have lived at another location.

There is also a family story that his first wife died whilst giving birth to a girl who he gave away or had adopted. She didn't find out who her Father was until her wedding day.

With so little information, has anyone any tips or suggestions on how to proceed?

Have you found his birth is who his parents were

For our info -

1911 Census For England & Wales
12 Wilton Road Ilford Lane Ilford, Ilford, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Henry White Head Married Male 46 1865 Upholsterer And Carpet Plamer Essex Kelvedon
Bessie Florence White Wife Married Female 39 1872 - London Clerkenwell
Herbert George Charles White Son Single Male 18 1893 Boot Shop Assitant Essex Hornchurch
Arthur Jack White Son Single Male 14 1897 Butcher Lad Berkshire Reading
Reginald Edward White Son Single Male 9 1902 School Berkshire Reading

Married 19 years. 5 children born and 5 still alive

So he’s was single in 1911 as he would be aged 14

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales
12 Wilton Road Ilford Lane Ilford, Ilford, Essex, England
Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Henry White Head Married Male 46 1865 Upholsterer And Carpet Plamer Essex Kelvedon
Bessie Florence White Wife Married Female 39 1872 - London Clerkenwell
Herbert George Charles White Son Single Male 18 1893 Boot Shop Assitant Essex Hornchurch
Arthur Jack White Son Single Male 14 1897 Butcher Lad Berkshire Reading
Reginald Edward White Son Single Male 9 1902 School Berkshire Reading

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
WHITE, ARTHUR JACK PARTRINGTON
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 361

WHITE, REGINALD EDWARD PARKINGTON
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 373

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Parents marriage -
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
Parkington Bessie Florence Hackney 1b 843
White John Henry Hackney 1b 843

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
White Arthur Jack Reading 2c 361

arthur was only 24 years old in 1921 so could not have been married long in his 1st marriage and no middle name jack showen in marriages of arthur white

Do the Army records you have, give any further information - they would normally give name and address of NOK.

Any actual DOB or any address

Thanks everyone for looking all the information up, but to clarify, I had already found that. 'Partrington' should read 'Parkington'.

The army records I have do not give any next of kin, but do provide the address in Cheriton as 35 Military Avenue and his employment as a Butcher in 1920.

Partrington / Parkington is as on the record from freebmd transcript - but allowing for mistakes shows the correct marriage of the parents and children births.

We are trying to help you. With very little to go on we will probably post information you have, but we don't - it's an attempt to help by possibly working backwards or sideways.

Who did he marry in 1921 and where, may help to narrow down possibilities for a first marriage.

When did he join the Army, where did he serve, what was his Service no. - was he a Butcher in the Army or was that to be his address and occupation when demobbed

Well if he was still married in1920 and living cheriton then a death of the wife must be 1920/21

Where did he remarry and who

Cheriton comes under Elham reg district

Possible

Marriages Dec 1919
Grisold Elsie M White Elham 2a 3268
White Arthur J Grisold Elham 2a 3268


Not seeing a death though for an Elsie white that would fit

there was a arthur j white born in elham in 1889 so that could be his marriage in 1919
and no births to that marriage

Following that White/Grisold 1919 marriage for the moment:


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Elsie M Hellier
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elsie M Hellier
Spouse Surname: Grisold
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 845
Records on Page:
Name
William Grisold <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Elsie M Hellier


William Grisold
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William Grisold
Death Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Date: Jul 1918
[Aug 1918]
[Sep 1918]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Elham <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1230


Ancestry suggests this is Elsie in 1911:

Elsie Murion Kate Hillier
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elsie Murion Kate Hillier
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St James, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Alcester Cann
Country: England
Street Address: St John's Hill, Alcester, Shaftesbury
Marital status: Single
Occupation: School Teacher
Registration District Number: 257
Sub-registration District: Shaftesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 12169
Household Members:
Name Age
George Stephen Hillier 51
Bessie Eliza Hillier 51
Charles William Hillier 24
Elsie Murion Kate Hillier 21
Frederick Tom Hillier 10


but also suggests this is her death, which doesn't fit with Arthur being widowed 1920-21:

Elsie May White
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elsie May White
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 27 May 1891
Registration Date: Oct 1972
[Nov 1972]
[Dec 1972]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Isle of Wight
Inferred County: Isle of Wight
Volume: 6b
Page: 2255

From the GRO - female births with surname White in Elham 1918+/- 2years

WHITE, ALYS DUNGLINSON
GRO Reference: 1916 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1931
WHITE, CECILIA HARRIETT BEAL
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 2107
WHITE, GEORGETTE WINIFRED JARMAN
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 2498
WHITE, JOYCE SELLAR
GRO Reference: 1916 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1958
WHITE, MATILDA AUGUSTA CLARA ANDREWS
GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1613
WHITE, PHYLLIS MARY BABER
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 2188

No likely female deaths in the area in the same time-scale

There was a child of Elsie's first marriage - also Elsie M, born 1917

Elsie in 1939 - a Widow

108 Sandown Road, Shanklin, Sandown-Shanklin U.D., Isle of Wight, England
Elsie May White 27 Mar 1891 Female House Duties Widowed 18 1
Arthur W White 06 Nov 1921 Male Civil Engineering Pupil Single 18 2
Maude I Caws (White) 25 Oct 1924 Female At School Single 18 3
Frederick White 07 Jan 1890 Male Handy Man Married 18 4
Mary E Grisold 22 Jun 1917 Female House Duties Single 18 5

To give you all the information I have:

I have already requested two marriage certificates-one to Esther Cray and the other to Esther Drane and neither of those related to him.

His exact date of birth was 18th January 1897 (birth certificate & 1939 Register)

His second marriage was to my Grandmother, Agnes Albina Garwood on 13th June 1921 and this took place at Willesden (London) Register Office. This was her second marriage and her maiden name was Gooding. (I have the marriage certificate).

It seems strange that one of his army papers dated 1920 states he was married, and yet he marries again so soon after in the following year.

This is the information gleaned form the original army documents I have:

Certificates of Discharge state he was attested into the Army Service Corps on 2nd November 1914 specialising as a machine gunner. He was discharged on the 16th February 1919, but on 17th February 1919 re-enlisted into the Machine Gun Corps (Cavalry) for 4 years. The enlistment took place at Risal Dur. This was a 'special re-enlistment' until 31st March 1923, and the Attestation (dated 23rd April 1920) states he is a Butcher, married, and living at 35 Military Avenue, Cheriton, Kent. His service number was 163877.

However he was discharged on 4th August 1920, on medical grounds due to having a Hernia. He had served one year, 169 days. The form states he was married and living at 103 Willesden Lane, Kilburn.

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Sorry ErikaH, was just about to post something about this.

The instructions are rather lacking and I assumed that I needed to tick 'answered question' on each response so the person knew I had replied to their comments.

Can't seem to reopen the whole closed thread and I expect I will have to send an email via the help section which could take a couple of days to get a response.

So it is certainly not closed!

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