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No, I'm not looking at anything from the man's second marriage

I posted info about a later daughter of Elsie, nee Hellier, in response to Gwyn in Kent's speculation

You are obviously seasoned genealogists and I am finding it hard to understand the links you are making. Very grateful for your efforts though, and I may need a laymans explanation when you reach a conclusion/recommendations.

It appears that ErikaH is linking with the daughters from his second marriage to ensure that she has the correct Arthur White, so I ought to add that his daughters names were Joyce Evelyn White born 1925 and Doreen Bessie Jones born 1928 both in Kilburn/Willesden London.

Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
Grisold Helen Solly Croydon 2a 845
Grisold William Hellier Croydon 2a 845
Hellier Elsie M Grisold Croydon 2a 845
Solly Edward H Grisold Croydon 2a 845


1939
Elsie May White 27 Mar 1891 Female House Duties Widowed 18 1
Arthur W White 06 Nov 1921 Male Civil Engineering Pupil Single 18 2
Maude I Caws (White) 25 Oct 1924 Female At School Single 18 3**********
Frederick White 07 Jan 1890 Male Handy Man Married 18 4
Mary E Grisold 22 Jun 1917 Female House Duties Single 18 5
Emma K Braithwaite 26 Sep 1875 Female Private Means Single 18 6
Maude A Scarman 06 Jan 1892 Female Domestic Duties Married 18 7


************Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
White Maude E Hillier Lambeth 1d 668


Name: William Grisold
Death Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration District: Elham
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1230

See death info posted yesterday on Page one.

Have we dismissed the marriage to Elsie Grisold?

I find it strange that she just happens to be in the right areas at relevant times.

Her son and daughter shown with her in 1939.......

Births Sep 1917
Grisold Elsie M ... Hellier Bromley 2a 768

Births Dec 1921
White Arthur W ...Hellier... Lambeth 1d 804


Could Elsie M (b. 1917 ) be Arthur's daughter, but registered with her mother's married name?
Maybe this was the daughter who later married...........?

The poster said the daughter married....................................

Following up, just in case -

maybe the same woman, living with Harold T Marriott:

Muriel A Marriott
in the Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1986
Name: Muriel A Marriott
Residence Year: 1972
Address: CHURCH END ROAD The Cottage Hawnes School
Residence Place: Bedfordshire, England
Parliamentary Division: Mid-Bedfordshire



????
Marriages Jun 1970 (>99%)
MARRIOTT Harold T WHEELER Kingsbridge 7a 1155
WHEELER Muriel MARRIOTT Kingsbridge 7a 1155


???
Harold Thomas Marriott
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Harold Thomas Marriott
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: 14 Aug 1927
Registration Date: Mar 2001
Registration District: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Register Number: E5B
District and Subdistrict: 4521E
Entry Number: 134


Can't see a matching birth of a Muriel Wheeler, nor the marriage of a Wheeler to a Muriel (except two whose births can be found, and aren't Muriel White.)

Wild guess re possible daughter's birth:


WHITE, MURIEL AGNETTA mmn SCOTT
GRO Reference: 1920 D Quarter in WILLESDEN Volume 03A Page 478


ADDED:

But maybe that's this woman:

Muriel Agnetha Marriott
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Muriel Agnetha Marriott
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: 24 Nov 1920
Registration Date: Apr 1999
Registration District: Crawley
Inferred County: West Sussex
Register Number: B48A
District and Subdistrict: 7801B
Entry Number: 2

I wonder

Marriages Jun 1919
Scott Ada A White W.Ham 4a 927
White Arthur J Scott W. Ham 4a 927

Deaths Mar 1921
White Ada A 23 Willesden 3a 266

?????????????

Just setting out timeline for 1920 / 1921...........


23rd April 1920 , Arthur is a butcher, married and living in Cheriton, Kent

but by 4th August 1920, discharged from Army and he is listed as married and living in Kilburn.

Married to Agnes Albina Garwood on 13th June 1921, shown as widower.

Thanks, Erika. That is information that I hadn't found. If only there had been a Next of Kin completed, but probably he was widowed by that time.

The 1921 marriage ( posted on page one) doesn't in any way help the search for his alleged first marriage

Some Army info is on Fold3 and Ancestry

Name: Arthur Jack White
Record Type: Card
Residence Place: Kilburn
Service Number: 163877
Corps, Regiment or Unit: M. G. Corp.
Title: WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description: Other Ranks Survived
Reference Number: 11/M/210514
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
Arthur Jack White

Name: Arthur Jack White
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Unit: (Cavalry)
Company: WO 329
Regiment or Corps: Machine Gun Corps (Cavalry and Motors)
Regiment Number: 163877
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal

Have a look at my 11.07 post of earlier today where I detail his second marriage. The original army records I have were kept by him/his wife and discovered recently being held by my Cousin.

You haven’t said who he married in 1921 and where

Also how did you get his ww1 records ?.

No, he had 2 daughters by his second marriage in 1925 & 1928 and he lived in Kilburn, London all his married life.

As for his army records, I have a few different documents with various dates making up his army career. I can't explain different years unless there was a document missing.

The man finally left the Army in August 1920, as per OP's long post

1921 was when he married

Was Arthur Jack the father of Arthur W whose b. on 1939 listing is November 1921?

I'm unclear of timings around 1920 / 1921 regarding enlistments and attestation.
Why the different years?

I know. But there are not enough characters available to add more, I had enough trouble with just the title.

You've edited your opening post.
It's better to edit the title.

Click on "Edit", then change the wording in the "Subject" box.