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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:13
	Mary Ann Williams born Skenfrith 1864 according to census returns. Married James Price 1882, married Thomas Lambert 1893/4. I believe I've found her on every census from 1881 onwards but not able to find her in 1871. According to trees I've looked at her parents could be Thomas and Sophia Williams (nee Powell) or a John and Louisa Williams (she may also have been Powell) I am unable to find evidence for either but have recorded Thomas and Sophia as a point to work from which I will happily discard if proven wrong. Skenfrith is close to the Herefordshire border and Williams is , as you know, very common in England and Wales. In 1891 she lived at The Vinetree Inn, Llanvetherine with James Price, Thomas was a lodger. In 1901 she lived in the same place with Thomas Lambert, James price has gone...
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 13,478 Send Message	rootgatherer	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:19
	What was her father’s occupation on her marriage certificates please?
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Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:23
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	The marriages you refer to for info (RD spans Monmouthshire/Herefordshire borders) Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%) HAWKINS Henry Abergavenny 11a 92 Price James Abergavenny 11a 92 TANNER Jane Ellen Abergavenny 11a 92 WILLIAMS Mary Ann Abergavenny 11a 92 Second marriage 1893 - no need to wonder if 1893/4 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%) Emery Tom Abergavenny 11a 73 Lambert Thomas Abergavenny 11a 73 Price Mary Ann Abergavenny 11a 73 Tipton Mary Ann E Abergavenny 11a 73
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:23
	Having problems finding any parish records.. Marriage is based on records from census returns and civil registrations..
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:24
	As Grey Ghost has posted..
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:30
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Vinetree Inn, Caggle Street, Llanvetherine, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Price Head Married Male 31 1860 Inn Keeper Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Mary Ann Price Wife Married Female 27 1864 - Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Lavina Price Daughter Single Female 7 1884 - Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Thomas Price Son Single Male 5 1886 - Monmouthshire, Wales Mary Price Daughter Single Female 3 1888 - Monmouthshire, Wales James S Price Son Single Male 1 1890 - Monmouthshire, Wales Emma Williams Servant Single Female 19 1872 Domestic Servant Monmouthshire, Wales Thomas Lambert Lodger Single Male 31 1860 - Monmouthshire, Wales Henry Pritchard Lodger Single Male 38 1853 - Monmouthshire, Wales James Williams Lodger Single Male 60 1831 - Hereford where have you found her in 1881?
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:32
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	?? - is this who you believe is her in 1882 1881 census Nantyreeth, Skenfrith, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales . First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Williams Head Married Male 44 1837 Shepherd St Weonards, Herefordshire, England Emma Williams Wife Married Female 43 1838 - Llangarron, Herefordshire, England Mary Ann Williams Daughter Single Female 16 1865 - Llangarron, Herefordshire, England Anne Williams Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Llangarron, Herefordshire, England Alice Williams Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Llangarron, Herefordshire, England John Williams Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Llangarron, Herefordshire, England Harriet Williams Daughter Single Female 6 1875 - Llangarron, Herefordshire, England Joseph Williams Son Single Male 4 1877 - Skenfrith, Monmouthshire, Wales
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:35
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	If that's the family you're looking at in 1881, then this would appear to be the same family in 1871 All said to be born Llangarren 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Blackhouse, Llangarren, Ross, Herefordshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Williams Head - Male 35 1836 - Herefordshire, England Emma Williams Wife - Female 34 1837 - Herefordshire, England Fanny Williams Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Herefordshire, England Elizabeth Williams Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Herefordshire, England Mary Ann Williams Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Herefordshire, England Emily Williams Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Herefordshire, England Anne Williams Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Herefordshire, England Alice Williams Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Herefordshire, England John is a Shepherd
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:46
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp#Results Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIAMS, JOSEPH HUTTON GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 35 WILLIAMS, HARRIETT HUTTON GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in ROSS HEREFORDSHIRE Volume 06A Page 480 WILLIAMS, ALICE HUTTON GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in ROSS, HEREFORDSHIRE Volume 06A Page 492 WILLIAMS, ANNIE HUTTON GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in ROSS HEREFORDSHIRE Volume 06A Page 461 WILLIAMS, MARY ANN HUTTON GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in ROSS, HEREFORDSHIRE Volume 06A Page 450
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:52
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%) Hutten Emma Ross 6a 729 Hutton Emma Ross 6a 729 Williams John Ross 6a 729
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	greyghost	Report	17 Dec 2020 19:56
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,663 Send Message	1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Vine Tree Inn, Llanvetherine, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Lambert Head Married Male 41 1860 Labourer (General) Monmouthshire, Wales Mary A Lambert Wife Married Female 37 1864 - Skenfrith, Monmouthshire, Wales Lavina Price Wife Daughter Single Female 16 1885 - Monmouthshire, Wales Thomas Price Son Single Male 15 1886 Servant Monmouthshire, Wales Mary Price Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales James Price Son Single Male 11 1890 - Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales Winifred Price Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales Elthia Lambert Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales John Lambert Son Single Male 4 1897 - Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales Beatrice Lambert Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales Arthur Lambert Son Single Male 1 1900 - Llanvetherine, Monmouthshire, Wales
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	17 Dec 2020 20:09
	Well the 2 Vine Tree Inn records are what I believe to be correct... The record I've seen for '81 is in Skenfrith Name Mary PowelAge68 Mary WilliamsAge17 Emma WilliamsAge10 Arthur WilliamsAge4 Mary is named head of household. Mary Powell is a relative. If Sophia Williams proved to be Mary Ann's mother, Mary Powell would be the grandmother I believe.
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	17 Dec 2020 20:12
	It's probably coincidence but you'll note on the 1891 census a domestic servant, Emma Williams 19
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	17 Dec 2020 20:18
	In the 1881 census on the previous page, the house next door is; Thomas Williams - Head, Sophia his wife plus 4 children. Although Mary is recorded as head at age 17 I'm hard pressed to believe Emma age 10 is her daughter...
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,506 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	17 Dec 2020 21:06
	There is a baptism in Skenfrith of an Emma Williams 17 Sep 1870 - parents William and Louisa, and one for Arthur 19 Sep 1876 -same parents.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,506 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	17 Dec 2020 21:07
	If you wish to know who Mary said her father was, get a copy of her marriage cert
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	17 Dec 2020 21:27
	I will, thank you.
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,506 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	18 Dec 2020 10:41
	WILLIAMS, ARTHUR POWELL GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 32 WILLIAMS, EMMA POWELL GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 38 WILLIAMS, MARY ANN POWELL GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 31 'Head' against Mary's name on the census was clearly an error
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 63,506 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	18 Dec 2020 10:43
	Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%) Powell Louisa Monmouth 11a 45 WILLIAMS John Monmouth 11a 45
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,284 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	18 Dec 2020 10:43
	Posting just in case she was the daughter of John Williams and Louisa Powell, as you mention; Mary Ann Williams in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994 Name: Mary Ann Williams Baptism Age: 0 Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 1863 Baptism Date: 20 Jun 1863 Baptism Place: Skenfrith, Monmouthshire, Wales Father: John Williams, albourer Mother: Louisa Williams Page number: 10 Address: Little Brook [something unreadable ] John & Louisa may have also had a son James, born before their marriage - if this is the same couple: James Williams in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994 Name: James Williams Baptism Age: 0 Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 1861 Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1861 Baptism Place: Monmouth, St Mary, Monmouthshire, Wales Father: John Williams, brewer Mother: Louisa Williams Page number: 122 Address: Lodging {House? ],Monmouth WILLIAMS, JAMES mmn POWELL GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 35 WILLIAMS, MARY ANN mmn POWELL GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 31 Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%) Powell Louisa Monmouth 11a 45 WILLIAMS John Monmouth 11a 45 However, I don't see John & Louisa in 1871, with or without children. Other Williams/Powell births: WILLIAMS, EMMA mmn POWELL GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 38 That's the one ErikaH mentioned: Emma Williams in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994 Name: Emma Williams Baptism Age: 0 Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 1870 Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1870 Baptism Place: Skenfrith, Monmouthshire, Wales Father: William Williams, labourer Mother: Louisa Williams Page number: 22 Address: Skenfrith WILLIAMS, SARAH mmn POWELL GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 39 Sarah Williams in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994 Name: Sarah Williams Baptism Age: 0 Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 1867 Baptism Date: 13 Jun 1867 Baptism Place: Skenfrith, Monmouthshire, Wales Father: John Williams, labourer Mother: Louisa Williams Page number: 16 Address: The Glorio [??], Skenfrith Sarah Williams in the 1881 England Census Name: Sarah Williams Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: John Williams Mother: Louisa Williams Gender: Female Where born: Skenfrith, Monmouth, Wales Civil Parish: Little Dewchurch County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Street Address: Haltwint Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Hereford ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 2588 Folio: 20 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age John Williams 45 - agricultural labourer, Holm Lacy, Hereford Louisa Williams 38 - Llantilio Crosseny, Mon. Sarah Williams 12
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.

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