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Another child ??
WILLIAMS, MARY ELLEN mmn POWELL
GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 39
EDIT:
No, not that one:
Mary Ellen Williams
in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Name: Mary Ellen Williams
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1873
Baptism Date: 26 Sep 1873
Baptism Place: Monmouth, Overmonmow St Thomas, Monmouthshire, Wales
Father: William Williams, bright smith
Mother: Mary Williams
Page number: 65
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This one's baptism already mentioned by ErikaH:
WILLIAMS, ARTHUR mmn POWELL
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 32
Arthur Williams
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Arthur Williams
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Skenfrith, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llangattock Vibon Avel
Ecclesiastical parish: Llangattock Vibon Avel
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors:
Piece: 4342
Folio: 83
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Long 67
Margerat Long 24
Catherine Long 22
Laura Long 20
William Long 18
Arthur Williams 14
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Mary Williams
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: Mary Williams
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Skenfrith, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Skenfrith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Bryngerth
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 5226
Folio: 103
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Williams 17
Emma Williams 10
Arthur Williams 4
Mary Powel 68 - relative
EDIT:
Ah, already posted by WS.
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Emma's marriage:
Emma Williams
in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Name: Emma Williams
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Apr 1895
Marriage Place: Llantilio Crossenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
Father: John Williams
Spouse: Thomas Baylis
Page number: 97
She's on 1901 and 1911 censuses, born Skenfrith.
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1861
Name: Louisa Powell
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Powell
Mother's Name: Mary Powell
Gender: Female
Where born: Lantilio Crossenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llantillio Crossenny
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-registration District: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household Schedule Number: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3986
Folio: 48
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Powell 58
Mary Powell 48
Louisa Powell 18
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I'm going along with the John and Louisa idea. Mary Ann and Arthur are both J&L and I'm wondering if the baptism for Emma (William and Louisa) might be an error on part of the vicar...Too many Williams!! Mary, Emma and Arthur in the 1881 census at Skenfrith intrigues me. I have ordered a marriage cert' for Mary Ann and James Price to see what that reveals..
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The 1881 census intrigues me... they live next door to Thomas and Sophia Williams who I originally had down for being the parents.. I can't find the evidence right now but I think Sophia Williams was a Powell and her mother was Mary Powell...
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Look for info on freebmd and on the GRO site
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Re your last two posts -
I agree that the name William for Emma's father on her baptism record is just human error, and should be John.
ErikaH has posted 1861 showing that Louisa's mother was Mary, and Mary seems to be living with young Mary, Emma and Arthur in 1881.
Re Sophia - I can't find an mmn which is the same for all her apparent children in the censuses:
Sophia Williams
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: Sophia Williams
Age in 1901: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse: Thomas Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Glascoed, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Skenfrith
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bridget
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-registration District: Monmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 23
Piece: 4924
Folio: 86
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Williams 57
Sophia Williams 67
Thomas Williams
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Thomas Williams
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Skenfrith, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Skenfrith
Ecclesiastical parish: Skenfrith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 4341
Folio: 92
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Williams 50
Sophia Williams 55 - Old Castle, Mon.
Maria Williams 15 - daughter
Herbert Williams 9 - grandson
Earnest Williams 6 - grandson
WILLIAMS, HERBERT -
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 30
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WILLIAMS, ERNEST OCTAVIUS -
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 37
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WILLIAMS, MARY JANE mmn WATKINS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 51
Sophia Williams
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: Sophia Williams
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Skenfrith, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Skenfrith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Bryngerth
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub registration district: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 5226
Folio: 102
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Williams 42
Sophia Williams 49
Elioner Williams 13
George Williams 8
??Ria Williams 5
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WILLIAMS, ELEANOR ANN mmn WATKINS
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 37
But George -
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WILLIAMS, GEORGE ANDREW mmn MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 37
George Andrew, born Skenfrith, is in later censuses with wife Catherine (nee Long)
George Andrew Williams
in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Name: George Andrew Williams
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1873
Marriage Date: 10 Feb 1898
Marriage Place: Llangattock Juxta Caerleon, Monmouthshire, Wales
Father: : Thomas Williams , labourer 99%)
Meredith Sophia Monmouth 11a 57
Williams Thomas Monmouth 11a 57
Other Williams/Meredith births:
WILLIAMS, AMY EVANGELINE MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 27
but her father was David John Williams, per her marriage in 1894 to Richard John Goode.
Can't trace the next two with any accuracy, so don't know if same family or not:
WILLIAMS, ANN MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 44
WILLIAMS, ELIZABETH ANN MEREDITH
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 33
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1861
Name: John Williams
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert Williams
Mother's Name: Ann Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Holm Lacy, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish or Township: Skenfrith
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration District: Monmouth
Sub-registration District: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household Schedule Number: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3985
Folio: 62
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Williams 52
Ann Williams 46
Richard Williams 26
John Williams 23
Andrew Williams 7
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Hello, update: Marriage certificate arrived today which I thought was very quick ! Her father was John Williams and his occupation is given as 'Farm Bailiff'. I have looked at the Holm Lacy, Herefordshire, John Williams several times, it would seem to be the answer.. I'm thinking that John returned to Herefordshire and Mary decided to remain in Skenfrith and 2 of her younger siblings stayed with her (1881 census). Would that make sense given the available evidence ? And by the way, thank you all for the research you've done !
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