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1939
Dadds Tenement Whitsford Cross, South Molton, South Molton R.D., Devon, England

George Hill 08 Mar 1875 Male Farmer Married 16 1
Ellen Hill 07 Oct 1866 Female Household Duties Married 16 2
William Sanders 31 Mar 1898 Male Labourer (Agriculture) Single 16 3


SANDERS, WILLIAM GEORGE (MMN) STILES
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in SOUTH MOLTON Volume 05B Page 413

So there is a Stiles connection, but not StYles.

William George Sanders
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William George Sanders
Death Age: 71
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1898
Registration Date: Jan 1970
[Feb 1970]
[Mar 1970]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Barnstaple
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7a
Page: 750


William George H Sanders
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: William George H Sanders
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Barnstaple
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 423


William Sanders
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William Sanders
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: George Sanders
Mother: Alice Sanders
Birth Place: Charles, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Charles
Ecclesiastical parish: Charles St John the Baptist
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration District: South Molton
Sub-registration District: South Molton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 2142
Folio: 7
Page Number: 2
Household Schedule Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Sanders 30
Alice Sanders 26
Edwin Sanders 4
William Sanders 3
Ellen Sanders 1



Alice Maud M Stiles
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alice Maud M Stiles
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: South Molton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 839
Records on Page:
Name
George Henry Sanders
Alice Maud M Stiles

Alice M Sanders
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alice M Sanders
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: abt 1877
Registration Date: Jul 1962
[Aug 1962]
[Sep 1962]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 437

Alice Sanders
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Alice Sanders
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire
Civil Parish: Charles
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address: Village, Charles, Near South Molton.
Marital status: Widowed
Registration District: South Molton
Registration District Number: 283
Sub-registration District: South Molton
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 13298
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Sanders 34
William Sanders 13
Ellen Sanders 10
Alice Sanders 9
Emily Sanders 7
Frederick Sanders 1

SANDERS, EDWIN SANDERS (MMN) STILES
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in SOUTH MOLTON Volume 05B Page 433


SANDERS, ELLEN MARIA (MMN) STILES
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in SOUTH MOLTON Volume 05B Page 402

Alice M Sanders
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Alice M Sanders
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widowed
Birth Date: 28 May 1877
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 14 Bosham Road
Residence Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 209
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: EBCD
Borough: Portsmouth
Registration District: 90/1
Household Members:
Name
Alice M Sanders
Alfred J Mahon
William A Mahon

It looks as if her birth was registered under another surname, and then perhaps her mother married or remarried a Stiles.
You may need to buy her 1896 marriage cert to see what it says about her father (if known).

Possibiities:

Births Jun 1877 (>99%)
Hamilton Alice Maud M Fareham 2b 533
HOLMES Alice Maud M Midhurst 2b 377


Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
CORBEN Alice Maud M Portsea 2b 407
DAVIES Alice Maud M Portsea 2b 444


None of those were illegitimate births.

Or maybe she was born somewhere else, but then brought up in Portsmouth/Portsea from an early age, so thought she had been born there.

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Name: Alice Stiles
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Relationship: Pauper; Inmate (Pauper)
Birth Year: 1877
Birth Place: Alton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Crondall
Ecclesiastical parish: Crondall
Residence Place: Crondall, Crondall, Hampshire, England
Registration District: Hartley Wintney
Sub registration district: Odiham
ED, Institution or Vessel: Farnham and Hartley Wintney District School

Yes, I wondered about that one.

A possible sibling of the Alice Stiles in the 1891 posted by Erika above ???

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
STILES George Alton 2c 152

I can't see this one GRO.


EDIT:

No, this looks like him in 1881 - no Alice in the family:

George Stiles
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George Stiles
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Stiles
Mother: Esther Stiles
Gender: Male
Where born: East Worldham, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Binsted
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Alton
Sub registration district: Binsted
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 1247
Folio: 27
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stiles 29
Esther Stiles 29
William J. Stiles 7
Eliza J. Stiles 5
George Stiles 4
Goodwin Stiles 1

The same Alice in 1881??

Alice Clark
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alice Clark
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Alton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Alton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Church Street
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Alton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 1245
Folio: 111
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stiles 53 - London, pensioner, 10th Regt Foot
Mary Stiles 56 - Worldham, Hants.
Ada Stiles 16 - daughter, Africa
Alice Clark 3 - grand-daughter



CLARKE, ALICE MARY mms STILES
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 161

That would fit the birth date of 28 May 1877 given in 1939.

We need more info from Edward. We're speculating somewhat at the moment

He has the Gill line (his wife's) in his GR tree, plus Alice, so we need to know who he thinks she was married to

Several GR members have Mansell Gill in trees. One of them has the surname Sanders

Deaths Mar 1970 (>99%)
GILL Mansell 28No1898 Barnstaple 7a 762

13 public trees on Ancestry have Mansell Gill.
10 of them state he was married to Bessie Sanders.
The rest don't name any wife.

10 trees say Bessie's parents were George Henry Sanders and Alice Maud Mary Styles (some spell it Stiles), born either 1876 or 1877 - date taken from censuses.
.
One gives that Alice's DOB as 11 May 1876, but without proof.
That tree also says her father was George Styles, but without proof or any further info for him. Presumably they got his name from the marriage cert of Alice and George Henry.

Mansell Gill’s mother was Mary, nee Rowe.

Mansell’s son Arthur is the poster’s f-i-l, as far as I can deduce

Re Alice Clarke, mms Stiles - in case relevant:

I think these are her parents:

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
CLARKE Charles Medway 2a 662
Stiles Catherine Medway 2a 662

Sibling:

CLARKE, WILLIAM HENRY mms STILES
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 471


William H. Clarke
in the 1881 England Census
Name: William H. Clarke
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Louisa Wolff [ Not his mother - mistranscribed ]
Gender: Male
Where born: Chatham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: "Anglesea Barracks"
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: None (Scholar)
Registration District: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: Anglesea Barracks Portsea
Neighbors:
Piece: 1148
Folio: 122
Page Number: 23
Charles Clarke 40 - Blandford, Dorset, Non Comd Officer In 1/10 Regt
Catherine Clarke 23 - St Helena, Africa >>>>
William H. Clarke 7
Caroline Clarke 2 - Alton
George Clarke 11 months - Colchester.
( and many other residents at the barracks )


CLARKE, GEORGE mms STILES
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in COLCHESTER Volume 04A Page 413

CLARKE, CAROLINE mms STILES
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in ALTON Volume 02C Page 167


>>>>>>> Alice Clarke/Stiles's aunt Ada was also born in Africa, per 1881 census posted earlier.

I wonder if this is the daughter Caroline in 1891 - although no middle name at birth:

Caroline Alice Clarke
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Caroline Alice Clarke
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Birth Year: 1880
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
Residence Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Registration District: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Landport
ED, Institution or Vessel: Royal Seamen and Marines Orphan Schools and Female Orphan Home
Neighbors:
Piece: 877
Folio: 89
Alice Annie Clarke 11 - Alverstoke, Hants [but who is this ?? Maybe not related ]
Caroline Alice Clarke 11

They were "maintained, educated and trained on the funds of the Institution".

Also at that orphanage was an Ellen M Gill - don't know if relevant or not:

Ellen M Gill
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Ellen M Gill
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Birth Year: 1880
Birth Place: Ruda Hoanerford [ place name definitely ends in ". . .erford" ], Wiltshire, England

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GILL, ELLEN MAUD mms SAUNDERS
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in HUNGERFORD Volume 02C Page 263




Charles Clarke
in the UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925
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Name: Charles Clarke
Pension Admission or Examination Age: 43
Birth Year: abt 1840
Birth Place: Blandford, Derset
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 10 Apr 1883
Regiment: Lincolnshire
Rank: Color Sergeant
Regimental Number: 947

Ellen Maud Gilll (mms Saunders) isn't relevant. Apart from anything else, her mms is Saunders, not Sanders.

Ellen Gill
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Ellen Gill
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Ellen Gill
Gender: Female
Where born: Hungerford, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Gillingham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 2 Church Road
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Medway
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 890
Folio: 56
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Gill 30 - wife of a seaman, Royal Navy.
Edwin Gill 2
Ellen Gill 1


Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
Gill Edwin George Pewsey 5a 301
Saunders Ellen Pewsey 5a 301

Rose, thank you for the information you have sent me, it looks like you have helped me immensely. My father in law has always said that none of his relatives knew anything about Alice apart from the fact she came from portsea island and her father was in the military.

I have had a PM saying that Bessie was his father in law’s grandmother, so how can she be Alice as well?

My father in law is Arthur Raymond Gill, his father was Mansell Gill and mother was Bessie Gill nee Sanders and maternal grandparents were George Henry Sanders and Alice Maud Sanders nee Styles. George was born in Charles, Bratton Fleming and Alice born at Portsea Island, that was all we knew about her.

Hello Edward,

What does Bessie's marriage certificate say? Like I said earlier, her mother's maiden name is listed as Hills, not Styles.

Rose