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?? for Ralph
Marriage: 23 May 1836 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
Ralph Hartley - (X), this Parish
Betty Grimshaw - (X), this Parish
Witness: Joseph Monson; George Rushton, (X)
Married by Banns by: W K Tatam
Register: Marriages 1830 - 1837, Page 124, Entry 372
Source: LDS Film 1470823
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1851
York, Oswaldtwistle, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Ralph Hartley Head Married Male 35 1816 Coal Miner Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
Betty Hartley Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
John Watson Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1832 Coal Miner Darwen, Lancashire, England
John Taylor Lodger Unmarried Male 29 1822 Coal Miner Shuttleworth, Lancashire, England
Richard Taylor Lodger Unmarried Male 15 1836 Coal Drawer Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
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If the 1851 family I posted earlier (at 17:36 ) is the correct one for John 1849 with mother Mary and siblings Elizabeth, Margaret, and Hannah, then the mother Mary seems to be in the workhouse in Blackburn 1841, with children Elizabeth (1) and James (2).
I don't see an illegitimate birth for James c1839.
BUT . . .
There is a Hartley/Spencer family in Haslingden, with children of the same names and similar YOB's
The John with mms Spencer is one of them (birth posted already)
Siblings:
HARTLEY, ELIZABETH mms SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 21 Page 447
HARTLEY, JAMES mms SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in HASLINGDEN UNION Volume 21 Page 400
HARTLEY, NANNY mms SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in HASLINGDON Volume 21 Page 456
HARTLEY, MARGARET mms SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 21 Page 452
Mary's marriage ???
Marriages Sep 1840 (>99%)
HARTLEY Richard Haslingden 21 247
SPENCER Mary Haslingden 21 247
HARTLEY, MARY ANN SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in HASLINGDEN UNION Volume 21 Page 401
HARTLEY, SARAH ANN SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 21 Page 381
HARTLEY, ELIZABETH mms SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 21 Page 427
HARTLEY, SUSANNA mms SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 08E Page 137
HARTLEY, RICHARD mms SPENCER
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 21 Page 465
(and others)
There's also a family of Hartley/Hindles, below, again with similar names and YOBs:
Mary Hartley
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Hartley
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: 1819
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Haslingden
Civil Parish: Haslingden
Ecclesiastical parish: Haslingden
Town: Haslingden
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Haslingden
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 4141
Folio: 79
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hartley 53
Mary Hartley 52
Elizabeth Hartley 29
Mary J Hartley 22
Alice Hartley 20
John Hartley 18
Susannah Hartley 17
Ellen Hartley 15
James Hartley 10
Thomas Hartley 7
I won't post all the Hartley/Hindle births - I've found them, but my brain's frazzled!
All too confusing!
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All of that is very promising - again I'll print it off and take it from there. I can't thank you both enough - you've been very supportive.
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