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ArgyllGran
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14 Jul 2020 23:14 |
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Jane Semer in the 1901 England Census Name: Jane Semer Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation to Head: Patient, widow, retired washerwoman Gender: Female Birth Place: Ireland Civil Parish: Rawtenstall formerly Lower Booths Ecclesiastical parish: Rawtenstall St Mary Town: Rawtenstall County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Haslingden Sub-registration district: Rawtenstall ED, institution, or vessel: Haslingden Union Workhouse Neighbors: Piece: 3850 Folio: 108 Page Number: 12 Household schedule number: 1
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14 Jul 2020 23:16 |
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Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%) Senior Jane 79 Haslingden 8e 88
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14 Jul 2020 23:18 |
Record Transcription: 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Pollock Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Joseph Corker Head Married Male 48 1843 Mariner Northwich, Cheshire, England Mary Corker Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Huyton, Lancashire, England Amy Corker Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Joseph Corker Son - Male 0 1891 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Elizabeth E Tipping Stepdaughter - Female 16 1875 - Whiston, Lancashire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx John H Tipping Stepson - Male 14 1877 Apprentice Ship ? Liverpool, Lancashire, England Mary E Griffiths Visitor - Female 26 1865 - Northwich, Cheshire, England Joseph Griffiths Visitor - Male 1 1890 -
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14 Jul 2020 23:22 |
Record Transcription: Lancashire Baptisms
First name(s) John Henry Houghton Last name Tipping Birth year 1876 Birth date 16 Dec 1876 Baptism year 1877 Baptism date 22 Jul 1877 Baptism place Liverpool, St Peter Denomination Church Of England Diocese Liverpool Residence West Derby Road Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's maiden name Tipping County Lancashire Country England Archive Liverpool Record Office Archive reference 283-PET-2-75 Register type Baptisms Register year range 1877-1877 Page 188 Record set Lancashire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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Yvonne
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14 Jul 2020 23:55 |
This is really beginning to confuse me. I know that Elizabeth Ellen was daughter of William Tipping and Mary Jenion. Mary Jenion was the daughter of William Jenion and Jane Cowley. William Jenion was son of Henry Jenion and Mary. William died in 1859. These are the facts I am sure of. So what's confusing me? Erika gives possible children of Henry and Mary born 1811 to 1818 but I have Henry and Mary in 1841 living with children born 1821 to 1839 - am I missing something here? Also, I have Jane Cowley born and baptised in 1830 in Liverpool, yet when she's in the census with Thomas Rushton it says she was born in Carlow, Ireland.
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ArgyllGran
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15 Jul 2020 09:48 |
If still alive, Henry and Mary's earlier children would have been living and working elsewhere by 1841 - not still with their parents.
Re Jane, born Carlow -
She was married in Liverpool - doesn't mean she was born there. In 1851 census it says she was born in Liverpool, but that could be a mistake.
Apart from 1851 all the censuses (1861-1901) say your Jane was born c1826 in Ireland , so Ireland would seem to be correct - and even 1851 says she was born c1825 - so unless she had added 5 or 6 years to her age (compared with Jane Cowley born c1830) , she may be a different person .
. Jane Cowley born c1830 in Walton -on-the-Hill is with her parents and siblings in Walton in 1841, but I don't see any of them after that.
Jane Cowley in the 1841 England Census Name: Jane Cowley Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Walton On The Hill Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Walton on the Hill Neighbors: Piece: 519 Book: 14 Folio: 19 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age John Cowley 40 John Cowley 3 Margaret Cowley 38 Beady Cowley 15 Mary Cowley 13 Jane Cowley 10
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ArgyllGran
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15 Jul 2020 10:45 |
Re the 1891 census posted by safc, for Elizabeth Ellen Tippping -
Mary didn't have much luck with her husbands:
Mary Holme in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: Mary Holme (widow) [Mary Jenion] Gender: Female Marriage Age: Full Age Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 7 Oct 1887 Marriage Place: Everton, St Timothy, Lancashire, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: William Jenion (paver) Spouse: Joseph Corker
Mary Tipping in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: Mary Tipping (widow) [Mary Jenson] Gender: Female Marriage Age: 30 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1851 Marriage Date: 4 Sep 1881 Marriage Place: Toxteth, St James, Lancashire, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: William Jenson, labourer Spouse: Jeremiah Holme (widower), age 65
Burial of Jeremiah:
Jeremiah Holme in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Name: Jeremiah Holme Gender: Male Age: 69 Birth Date: 1816 Burial Date: 20 Aug 1885 Burial Place: Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England FHL Film Number: 1647996 Reference ID: it457, Pg55, No438
Mary Jenion in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: Mary Jenion Gender: Female Marriage Age: 22 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1852 Marriage Date: 14 Jul 1874 Marriage Place: Everton, St Peter, Lancashire, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: William Jenion, labourer Spouse: William Tipping
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ArgyllGran
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15 Jul 2020 10:56 |
Aha! Here's Jane Cowley 1830 in 1851 - so she's NOT the Jane who married William Jenion in 1850:
Jane Conley in the 1851 England Census Name: Jane Conley Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Conley Mother's name: Margret Conley Gender: Female Where born: Walton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Walton on the Hill County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Walton ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: Household schedule number: 22 Piece: 2191 Folio: 7 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John Conley 56 - labourer Margret Conley 47 Jane Conley 20 John Conley 13 Elizabeth Kannon 67
The father of the Jane who married William was a coffee roaster, per the marriage records.
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ErikaH
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15 Jul 2020 12:26 |
WILLIAM was born in 1827...................his father HENRY was a PAVIOR/PAVER .
Use those FACTS as your base
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Yvonne
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15 Jul 2020 18:08 |
The info regarding Mary Jenion is correct - she did have three husbands, according to my mother-in-law.. I don't know how you guys find all this stuff but thanks for getting me out of my confused fog! Thanks.
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Yvonne
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26 Jul 2020 22:15 |
I thought I'd send for the birth certificate of Thomas Jenion born 1839 to see who his parents were. I searched the GRO index but only one showed up:
M qtr 1839 Prescot 20/699
I sent for the certificate and mother is shown as Margaret Jenion but no father is registered. The birth was registered by Sarah, aunt. Now I'm trying to figure out where this fits in.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2020 22:27 |
My guess would be that he was the illegitimate son of Margaret, daughter of Henry and Mary (listed on the 1841 census, aged 20).
This may be the aunt Sarah, another daughter of Henry and Mary:
Sarah Jennion England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Sarah Jennion Event Type: Christening Event Date: 1 Nov 1818 Event Place: Lancashire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Huyton by Roby, Lancashire, England Gender: Female Father's Name: Henry Jennion Mother's Name: Mary
(Sarah's baptism already posted by Erika.)
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jul 2020 22:37 |
Possibly Margaret's marriage:
Margaret Jenion in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Name: Margaret Jenion Gender: Female Age: Full Age Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Aug 1842 Parish: Huyton, Lancashire, England Spouse: Thomas Auisworth Spouse Age: Full Age Father: Henry Jenion, labourer Spouse Father: John Auisworth Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Presumably Thomas in 1851, having been given his stepfather's name:
Thomas Ainsworth in the 1851 England Census Name: Thomas Ainsworth Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Ainsworth Mother's name: Margaret Ainsworth Gender: Male Where born: Huyton, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Huyton Ecclesiastical parish: Huyton Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Hale ED, institution, or vessel: 4a Neighbors: Household schedule number: 80 Piece: 2193 Folio: 295 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Ainsworth 31 Margaret Ainsworth 33 Thomas Ainsworth 12 Ann Ainsworth 8 Mary Ainsworth 1 1 Mo
AINSWORTH, ANN mms JENION GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 682
AINSWORTH, MARY mms JENION GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 20 Page 807
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Yvonne
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26 Jul 2020 23:27 |
Not sure about that marriage - Henry's occupation has always been shown as pavior but on this marriage it says he was a labourer.
The Thomas b. 1839 is shown in 1841 census as Thomas Genson but the birth certificate I received has the name as Jenion. This is the only birth I could find for Thomas born 1839, nothing showed up for Thomas Genson.in the GRO index.
I find this whole family totally confusing.
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26 Jul 2020 23:51 |
The Worshipful Company of Paviors.
www.paviors.org.uk
The Paviors are a City of London livery company with records dating back to 1276, but now with aims to promote the ‘craft of paving’ through its outreach programmes and fellowship.
I wonder if their archived records show anything.?
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26 Jul 2020 23:55 |
Record Transcription: 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Village, Huyton, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Henry Gemon Male 50 1791 Lancashire, England Mary Gemon Female 50 1791 Lancashire, England Margaret Gemon Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England Henry Gemon Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England William Gemon Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England James Gemon Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England Thomas Gemon Male 2 1839 -
image looks like genion
henry is a pavior
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Yvonne
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26 Jul 2020 23:55 |
Had a quick look but didn't see anything referring to archives - I guess I'd have to contact them.
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ArgyllGran
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27 Jul 2020 09:16 |
As far as the surname in 1841 census is concerned, you said yourself that the name is spelled many different ways. It depends on how the enumerator thought it should be spelled, and also on what the transcriber could make of the often bad handwriting.
I think we are sure that the 1841 with Henry's occupation as pavior is the correct one, even though Ancestry and FMP have transcribed it with two different spellings, as in the two versions we've posted.
Even though Henry's occupation is shown as labourer on the marriage record, I can only see one Margaret Jenion or similar in Huyton with father Henry in 1841.
The Worshipful Company of Paviors is London-orientated. I doubt if they would have any records relating to Lancashire.
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2020 11:04 |
Until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births.
Your Thomas 1839 may simply not have been registered
Although, the other possible scenario is that Henry, the Pavior, was his grandfather, but named as father when Thomas married to save face. OR - Thomas didn't know he wasn't actually Henry's son
Which would mean that the birth cert IS the right child
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27 Jul 2020 15:49 |
?? Confirmation of marriage Margaret Jenion to Thomas Ainsworth.
Margaret died 1856 buried in Huyton 14/12/1856
They had daughter Alice Hannah baptised5/8/1856
1861 Huyton Village Robert Gore 73 born Blackburn died 1862 Ann Gore 72 Thomas Ainsworth 42 Sarah Ainsworth 33 Blackburn Mary 11 Alice 1 born Huyton not sure if this is Alice Hannah/Anna Henry Jenion lodger born 1786 a pavior born Huyton
Robert Goar a widower married in Blackburn 14/7/1825 to Nancy Ainsworth a widow I think.
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