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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BRENTNALL, CHARLES RICHARD KINGSLAND
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 459
Rose
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This one also has the MMN Douglas. No guarantee this is Catherine's child:
Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Douglas Elias Wolverhampton 6b 547 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Mar 1883 (>99%)
DOUGLAS Elias 0 Wolverhampton 6b 370
Rose
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I have VIOLET ANNIE BRENTNALLborn April 1894, and note she died in June 1894. Her parents listed as William Thomas Brentnall and Catherine Annie ?
Thanks Rose for your help and also to others who have helped with this puzzle.
Two Douglas couples went to NZ = two brothers married two sisters. Several of the names folk have mentioned above are part of family.
Lyn.
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Am wondering if
William Thomas Brentnall and
Charles Richard Brentnall
were brothers?
mother Kingsland
Am confused!! L
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Yes, if you look at the censuses you'll see that Charles and William Brentnall (mms Kingsland) were brothers .
Here they are, with their mother and grandmother in 1871:
Charles Brentnall
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Charles Brentnall
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: 1869
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: W'hampton Staffordshire England
Civil Parish: Aston
Town: Deritend
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 156
Piece: 3134
Folio: 134
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Rachael Kingsland 49
Catherine Brentnall 24 - married, born in Mere, Wiltshire.
William Brentnall 4
Charles Brentnall 2
[and several boarders]
Their parents' marriage:
Catherine Kingsland
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Catherine Kingsland
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 353
Records on Page:
Name
Charles Brentnall
Catherine Kingsland
Possibly the death of their father:
Deaths Jun 1870 (>99%)
Brentnall Charles 22 Burton 6b 226
Their mother remarried in 1876:
Marriages Mar 1876 (>99%)
BRENTNALL Catherine Birmingham 6d 99
Preston William Henry Birmingham 6d 99
Catherine Preston
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Catherine Preston
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William H. Preston
Gender: Female
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Sedgley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 36 Bloomfield Rd Kings Arms
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Manageress (...)
Registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors:
Piece: 2870
Folio: 74
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William H. Preston 35
Catherine Preston 33
William T. Bruntnall 14
Her second husband died 1883:
William Henry Preston
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Henry Preston
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6c
Page: 47
She died in 1885:
Catherine Preston
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Catherine Preston
Death Date: 14 Jan 1885
Death Place: Staffordshire, England
Probate Date: 18 Feb 1885
Probate Registry: Lichfield
"Administration of the personal estate of Catherine Preston, late of the "Kings Arms" Inn, Princes End, Tipton, in the county of Stafford, widow, who died 14 January at the "Kings Arms", was granted at Lichfield under the usual Limitations to Henry Kingsland of 5 Albion Road, Greet ,near Birmingham , in the county of Warwick, bricklayer, the Uncle and Guardian of William Thomas Brentnall and Charles Richard Brentnall, minors, the Sons and only Next of Kin."
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As far as documentation goes, we have no proof that Katherine/Catherine Annie Greensill is the same Catherine/Katherine who was Frank Brentnall's mother.
Frank's birth cert might give more information.
I know the transcription says his mother's maiden name was Douglas.
If that's true then she wasn't Katherine Greensill, but as already said, it may be a mistake or misunderstanding.
And (also already said) there's no birth of a Katherine/Catherine Douglas in Staffordshire 1850-1860.
You say:
"I have VIOLET ANNIE BRENTNALLborn April 1894, and note she died in June 1894. Her parents listed as William Thomas Brentnall and Catherine Annie ? "
I take it you're assuming she is the child born illegitimately as Violet Annetta Douglas?
Only her birth cert will give you proof of who her mother was .
Where are you finding that info? Is it definite family knowledge, or just taken from a stranger's tree, which should always be taken with a large pinch of salt?
Personally, I think Katherine Greensill was indeed Frank Brentnall's mother - but proving it is another matter!
If it were my tree, I would be buying a copy of the 1901 death cert to see the details, to verify or rule out that death, rather than just guessing.
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Help please....how do I print out all the informatiion re this search? Am elderly and cannot remember. Thanks, Lyn.
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Agree Katherine Greensill (married name Douglas) was Frank Brentnall's mother.
Recall my grandfather telling me he met his half brother Frank during the war.
Catherine/Catharine/Katherine....all the same person.
I have many boxes of paperwork collected over about 55 years and am endeavouring to sort same out. Most grateful ArgyllGran for all your help and want to print it out!
L
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Many of us who post on these boards are elderly, Lyn!
To print out the whole of this thread -
Put at least 9 sheets of paper into your printer.
Now look at the top right corner of your screen. You'll see either a row of three dots, or else a stack of three little bars, depending on whether you're using Microsoft or Firefox. Other systems will have something similar.
Left click on that, and somewhere in the drop-down list you'll see "Print".
Click on that.
Now you're seeing the print preview screen.
If you're using Firefox, set the scale to 90% . If it's at 100% or more, it won't all fit on the page when it's printed, and bits will be missing.
Then click "Print" at the top left of the screen.
Then select the page range you want to print (either "All" - or 1-8 if the scale is 90%), and click "Print".
There are 9 pages when the scale is 90%, but the 9th doesn't have anything useful on it.
If you're using Microsoft Edge, use the "Shrink to fit" setting, or else 75% which will give a more easily readable printout.
Then click "Print"
That method prints the pages just as they look on GR.
The alternative method is to copy/paste individual bits of info to a word processing document, but that's more fiddly to describe to you.
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ArgllGran - All printed out now and really appreciated your assistance, even though I forgot to mention I use Mac computer.
Certainly seems Catherine Annie Greensill married Douglas but not Brentnall.and may well have married William Henry Preston.
Lyn.
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Lyn,
Catherine Greensill did not marry a Preston. Catherine Kingsland did.
Rose
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Catherine Preston was William Thomas Brentnall's mother, not his wife/partner.
She was born Catherine Kingsland, and married Charles Brentnall (William's father).
After Charles's death, she married William Henry Preston.
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Oh good to get that sorted Rose, so thanks again. Lyn.
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