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I am searching for the dod of the abovenamed, who was married twice - to
Douglas and then to Brentnall. Grateful for any help, thank you.

First marriage was listed as Katherine Annie

Marriages Mar 1873
DOUGLAS William Walsall 6b 882
GREENSILL Katharine Annie Walsall 6b 882

Not seeing a marriage to a Brentnall.

Rose

Husband is listed as widowed in 1891:

Name: William Douglas
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Event Place: Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England
Event Place Note: Stafford Street
County: Staffordshire
Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST PETERS
Enumeration District: 24
Registration District: Walsall
Gender: Male
Age: 48
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Buckle Maker
Birth Year (Estimated): 1843
Birthplace: Scotland
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger
Page Number: 3
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 2253/ 5
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1891/2253/0011&parentid=GBC/1891/0015386094


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William J Plant Head M 25 Staffordshire, England
Clara Plant Wife F 23 Staffordshire, England
Bertha Plant Daughter F 2 Staffordshire, England
William Douglas Lodger M 48 Scotland
William H Douglas Lodger M 11 Staffordshire, England
Catharine Olive Douglas Lodger F 9 Staffordshire, England

Rose

Are you saying this is Catherine in 1891?

Name: Catherine A Brentnall
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
Event Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Event Place Note: Temple Street
County: Staffordshire
Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST JOHN
Enumeration District: 6
Registration District: Wolverhampton
Gender: Female
Age: 30
Marital Status: Married
Birth Year (Estimated): 1861
Birthplace: Staffordshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Page Number: 9
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 2226/ 105
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1891/2226/0217&parentid=GBC/1891/0015179171


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William T Brentnall Head M 24 Warwickshire, England
Catherine A Brentnall Wife F 30 Staffordshire, England
Frank W Brentnall Son M 3 Staffordshire, England
William Perry Boarder M 25 Staffordshire, England

There's no marriage and Frank's MMN is Douglas.

Rose

1901

Name: Katherine Brentnall
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
County: Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Sub-District: Wolverhampton Eastern
Registration District: Wolverhampton
Gender: Female
Age: 43
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birth Year (Estimated): 1858
Birthplace: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Schedule Type: 125
Page Number: 24


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William T Brentnall Head M 38 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Katherine Brentnall Wife F 43 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Frank W Brentnall Son M 13 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

Rpse

From a tree Ancestry - can't speak for the veracity of the info

Name
Catherine Annie (Katherine Annie) (Katharine) Greensill
Birth
Oct 1851
Death Wellington New Zealand
1931

Actually, having checked, I doubt very much that it's accurate, as the death record shows no second forename, and Ancestry links the record to 1851 Scotland census

Name: Catherine Douglass
Death Date: Apr-May-Jun 1931
Registration Place: Hampden, Otago, New Zealand
Folio Number: 1901

Name: Catherine Douglas
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1851
Death Date: 24 Jun 1931
Death Place: Hampden
Burial Place: Hampden, Otago
Cemetery : Hampden


The same tree on Ancestry has her death 'before 1891 in Walsall', so NOT RELIABLE

Someone's been guessing!

You say she 'married twice'. Have you any proof of this?

Her sons went to New Zealand

William Harry Douglas
in the New Zealand, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: William Harry Douglas
Birth Date: 27 Aug 1879
Birth Place: Staffordshire, England
Enlistment Date: 13 Aug 1914
Service Number: WW1 4/390


Name: Thomas Greensill Douglas
Birth Date: 1875
Death Date: 7 Jan 1936
Death Place: Wellington, Wellington City, Wellington, New Zealand
Cemetery: St. John's Anglican Churchyard Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Johnsonville, Wellington City, Wellington, New Zealand
Has Bio?: Y
Spouse: Alice Douglas

Linked:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1222636

Rose

Thanks, Rose.

If she abandoned her first family, seems unlikely she later went to NZ with them.

Frank Brentnall died in WW1.

Rose

Her daughter also went to New Zealand.

DOUGLAS, KATHERINE OLIVE mms GREENSILL
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 623


Katherine Olive Douglas
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Katherine Olive Douglas
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 784
Records on Page:
Name
Katherine Olive Douglas
Winter Harris


Katherine Olive Harris
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Katherine Olive Harris
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 35 King St, Walsall
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Registration district: Walsall
Registration District Number: 370
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 17179
Household Members:
Name Age
Winter Harris 35
Katherine Olive Harris 31
Thomas Winter Harris 9
Cissie Emma Harris 7
Ada May Harris 5
Katherine Florence Harris


Winter Harris
in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Winter Harris
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Birth Date: abt 1879
Departure Date: 6 Nov 1924
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand
Ship Name: Ruahine
Shipping Line: The New Zealand Shipping Company, Limited
Official Number: 124582
Master: E T Smith

Travelling with Katherine O, Katherine F, Dorothy M, Elsie A, William H, and George E.



Katherine Olive Harris
in the New Zealand, Death Index, 1848-1966
Name: Katherine Olive Harris
Death Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1936
Registration Place: Wellington, Wellington, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2723

The 1931 burial record for Catherine Douglas in NZ says:

Catherine Douglas, died Hampden 24th June 1931 aged 80.
Also Archibald Douglas, died Hampden 17th June 1886 aged 38
Also Jessie Aitchison, mother, died Hampden 22 June 1906 aged 67.


Catherine Douglas
in the New Zealand, Cemetery Records, 1800-2007
Name: Catherine Douglas
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1851
Death Date: 24 Jun 1931
Death Place: Hampden
Burial Place: Hampden, Otago
Cemetery : Hampden


Your Catherine's mother was Mary Gripton, not Jessie Aitchison.

GREENSILL, CATHERINE ANNE mms GRIPTON
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 17 Page 337


Catherine Ann Greensill
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Catherine Ann Greensill
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1851
Baptism Place: St. Mary, Bilston, Stafford, England
Father: John Greensill
Mother: Mary

As I said ealier, info about that on the Ancestry tree is NOT RELIABLE

Her husband's death

Name: William Douglas
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire

Wiliam T Brentnall appears to have died in Birmingham in 1915.

I can't see him in 1911.

????

Katharine Annie Douglas
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Katharine Annie Douglas
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 43
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 369


Your Katherine's YOB varies quite a bit in censuses, and age stated on a death cert depends on what the informant thought was correct.
In 1901 census (taken on 31st March) her age is given as 43 (assuming she's the one with William Brentnall).

As she and William Brentnall didn't marry (if that's her with him) , her name was still officially Douglas.

ADDED:
The fact that William Brentnall's partner's ms is given as Douglas on Frank's birth record might be the registrar's mistake , or else a misunderstanding of the question - or she might be a completely different person.

However, I don't see any birth of a Katherine/Catherine Douglas born anywhere in Staffordshire 1850-60

Many, many thanks for all the information contained in emails. I will have to work through them slowly as have gathered lots of varying information and am hoping to sort it all out. (Name spelt with C or K and Ann or Anne in records)
I have Catherine Anne Greensill b Oct 1851
Married William Douglas 13 March 1873
Divorced in 1885
no record of marriage to William Thomas Brentnall
son Frank killed in 1915 b 1887
Charles Richard Brentnall b abt 1869 d Dec 1901
Violet Annie Brentnall b April 1894 -found her recently.
I have Catherine dying in New Zealand and I am puzzled by that.?

Other relatives of mine are named above - Catjherine and William are my g grandparents. Again my big thanks to all who replied. Lyn in Australia but ex New Zealand.

I have Catherine Anne Greensill born 14 Swpt 1851 in Temple Street, Bilston, Staffordshire, England......
Am doubting dob of Charles
Richard Brentnall abt 1869?
Lyn.

Update....

Catherine Annie Greensill b 1851 Wolverhampton, UK

Christening 5 Oct 1851 St Mary's, Bilston or St Peters, Wolverhampton

Death: 1901 Wolverhampton New Cross Hospital, Wolverhampton, UK

Phew.... Lyn. (morning here in Australia)

Is this the Violet you mean?

MMN was Douglas also.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DOUGLAS, VIOLET ANNETTA -
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 605

Deaths Jun 1894
Douglas Violet Annetta 0 Wolverhampton 6b 287

Rose