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Presumably not Ann Whittle's husband, unless his sentence was shortened, but thought I'd post it anyway, just in case.:

James Hindley Bate
in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: James Hindley Bate
Date of Trial: Apr 1829
Trial Year: 1829
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Transportation

7 years, for fraud


I don't see Ann's husband's death.

argyllgran

i had spotted that as well bu t like you i looked at the date of the bates/whittle wedding and they didnt match up

thank you

lancs opc shows the church for Ann Whittle's first marriage

Marriage: 10 Feb 1834 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
James Hindley Bate - this Parish
Ann Whittle - this Parish
Witness: Thomas Gorse; Joseph Barrett, (X)
Married by Banns by: Wm. MacIvor Curate
Register: Marriages 1833 - 1834, Page 160, Entry 478
Source: Microfilm held at Manchester Central Library


The image of the church register can be seen on Ancestry ............

no names of family members, married by Banns, both signed their names in the Register, both "of this Parish.

This is the only other reference to a James Hindley Bate in BMDs on ancestry

Cheshire, England, Parish Registers, 1538-1909

Name: James Hindley Bate
Gender: Male
Record Type: Christening (Baptism)
Baptism Date: 21 Jul 1811
Baptism Place: Witton-cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England
Residence Place: Witton-cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England
Father: Thos. Bate
Mother: Elizth. Bate


Plus the criminal record in 1829.

Ancestry has one record of the criminal case ...... he was charged with "Uttering False Coin".

Several others were charged with the same offence.


and several entries regarding the Prosecutor getting paid.



I wonder if he was not actually transported??

i dont suppose there would be a way of finding out if he went to Australia or not.

I have been looking for a death for james hindley bates before ann whittle marries william dall but no luck

linda

Possible ???

James Bate
in the England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970
Name: James Bate
Birth Date: abt 1811
Event Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1834
Death Age: 23
Burial Date: 16 Oct 1834
Burial Place: Salford, Lancashire, England
Denomination: New Jerusalemite
Piece Title: Piece 1287: Salford, Bolton Street, Jerusalem Temple (New Jerusalemite), 1834-1837

But maybe not, as the Bate/Whittle marriage was in the Church of England.

Linda ...............

I did check the Convict records yesterday ......... I couldn't find a James Hindley Bates, but lots of James Bates :-(

None of those seemed to fit place of sentence, age or date of transport.

He seems to appear and then disappear very quickly.

I didn't find a child of that marriage.

Argyll Gran and SylvainCanada

Thank you so much for all your help

It is very much appreciated

Linda