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I wonder if anyone could help me with finding a birth.

This is the information I have

Charles Dall c1844 England
Mother Alice Sarah Edwards.
" supposed father " William Dall

Alice Edwards married George Coles Levene in Liverpool in 1838

He died in 1845 and Alice married again to William Dall in 1846 in Liverpool

They emmigrated to america around 1850

Alice has two children before 1846

One is Charles who on all documentation is known as Charles Dall born 1843/44 in England

the other is Isaac Dall born 1845 in England.

Isaac is registered as Isaac Coles Levene and later on in life take this name . It is only when he is young that he is known as Isaac Dall

On the USA census Charles is older than Isaac so he should be a Levene but I cant find a birth for him anywhere.

There is a Charles Dall born 1843 in Preston Lancashire but his mothers surname is Whittle

I have all the USA Census after they land and he is known as Charles Dall but this can't be right.

Any help at all would be wonderful

Thanks you
Linda

ps if i dont reply straight away i have to go to work for a couple of hours

I would think it unlikely that Charles’s natural father was Dall, as the later son’s was Levene (allegedly)

Birth may simply not have been registered

Presumably, you have checked on family search for possible baptism?

Checked Lancashire opc , free bmd, ancestry . Fmp ,
I checked liverpool parish records as isaac was born liverpool and Alice got married liverpool

There's a passenger list for William Dall and family arriving New York 8 April 1849 but wife's name is Sarah. Family includes:
William, 33
Sarah, 28
Charles, 6
Isaac, 3 or 5?
Emma, infant

Carter refers to a second forename for Alice, (Sarah) although it isn’t recorded on either of her marriage registrations

emma jane
EMMA JANE
Last name DALL
Birth year 1847
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Edwards
District West Derby
County Lancashire
Country England

DALL, CHARLES -
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in THE PRESTON UNION Volume 21 Page 621

no mothers maiden name

Thank you everyone.

The Charles Dall at Preston has a mothers maiden name of whittle

Where do you see the surname Whittle?

The GRO record is as Maddie has posted it - no mms.

i can't find a whittle/dall birth either

Lancashire BMD


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
DALL Charles WHITTLE Preston Preston PRES/23/18

how strange
can't see him on any census or a death to rule him out

could Charles Dall be a son of William Dall before he married Alice Edwards ?

They were both widowers

making Alice stepmother to Charles Dall

so if I find a Dall /Whittle marriage that might solve it ???

There isn't one before the birth.

Nor afterwards, as far as I can see.

This is NOT it - John Hartley Dall married Dorothy Anne Blackburn, per later censuses.:

Marriages Mar 1849 (>99%)
Billington Thomas Preston 21 449
Blackburn Dorothy Anne Preston 21 449
Bowling James Preston 21 449
Dall John Hartley Preston 21 449 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Earnshaw Henry Preston 21 449
Ellens Frances Preston 21 449
Walbank Elizabeth Preston 21 449
Whittle Mary Ann Preston 21 449 <<<<<<<<<<<<


Nothing on Lancs BMD either.

There is below...(Dall, Whittle)

Chris :)

30 January 1835 - Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser

MARRIED
On Monday last, at Eccles Church, near Manchester, by the Rev. Thomas Blackburne, vicar. Mr. William Dall, third son of J. W. Dall, Esq., to Mrs. Ann Bate, youngest daughter of Mr. Thomas Whittle, of Samlesbury, near Preston.


Marriage: 26 Jan 1835 St Mary the Virgin, Eccles, Lancashire, England
William Dall - this parish
Anne Bate - this parish
Witness: Thomas Gorse; John Lyndley?
Married by Banns by: Thos. Blackburne Vicar
Register: Marriages 1835, Page 11, Entry 32
Source: Manchester Central Library


1841
William Dall Male 25 1816 Lancashire, England (Tailor)
Ann Dall Female 25 1816 Lancashire, England
Marian Dall Female 4 1837 Lancashire, England
William Banning Male 85 1756 Lancashire, England
Pole Street, Preston, Lancashire

?? Death:

DALL, ANN 33
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in THE PRESTON UNION Volume 21 Page 414


It doesn't solve the Dall/Whittle problem, though

Brilliant. Now it looks like its tying up at last

Ann Whittle married someone called Bates then she became a widow and married William Dall and then she died 1844.

Is that a strong possibility

Linda

John Wesley Dall, Father of William Dall, 1846 Marriage reference, would be the Father of above as well, looking at Newspaper reference.

(his occ. Tailor as 1841)

Chris :)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

(searching above, using John Wesley Dall as Father, brings up other siblings)

Ann Whittle
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: James Hindley Bate
Spouse's Name: Ann Whittle
Event Date: 10 Feb 1834
Event Place: Eccles, Lancaster, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01394-8


Ann Bate married William Dall in Eccles.

so the charles dall born 1843 in preston with mothers surname whittle

is the son of william dall and ann bates maiden name whittle

Birth Cert. would be needed...(to be sure)

Chris :)