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James Irving Brock
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Yvonne | Report | 3 Dec 2018 00:00 |
James Irving Brock was born 17 July 1868 in Ireland, to parents James Edwin Brock and Margaret Jane Graham. |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 07:51 |
The image of the birth entry is here: |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 3 Dec 2018 09:22 |
The records (transcriptions) as shown on Familysearch, for reference: |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 3 Dec 2018 09:26 |
Could he have been born in one place (Athy), but baptised in County Meath? |
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Yvonne | Report | 3 Dec 2018 15:52 |
Thanks ArgyllGran. I suppose it's possible he was born in one place and baptised in another - his parents seem to move around quite a bit. James Irving Brock was one of four children - the first was born in Clanbur, Galway, the second in Irvinestown, Fermanagh, then James Irving in Kildare, then the fourth back in Irvinestown. |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 17:36 |
I suspect there were more children as the parents married in 1858, but civil registration for births in Ireland did not start until 1864. |
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Yvonne | Report | 3 Dec 2018 17:49 |
Thanks Austin, you did better than me, I didn't find the others. I wonder why they moved around so much. |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 17:55 |
I suspect they moved around for the father's gamekeeping work. I've added the birth above for daughter Mary Elizabeth- she was born in England. |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 18:00 |
Looks like Mary was a twin: |
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Yvonne | Report | 3 Dec 2018 18:07 |
Thanks again. I was wondering if it might be because of his job. |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 18:10 |
This is the family in 1871. Ancestry has gone mad with the transcription, but it's definitely them: |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 18:23 |
I think this is father James and son Sidney in 1891: |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 18:37 |
Not sure about that 1891 census- although it does seem to be them- unless James left Margaret? When Margaret dies in 1883 she's listed as a widow: |
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Yvonne | Report | 3 Dec 2018 18:55 |
Definite similarities but that 1891 census gives James as being born in Nottinghamshire but the 1871 census shows him born in Cheshire, so maybe your doubts about 1891 census are founded. |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 19:01 |
Although 1871 states Ollerton, Cheshire, I'm wondering if it was meant as Ollerton, Nottingham? Worth keeping in mind. |
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AustinQ | Report | 3 Dec 2018 19:17 |
Ahhh, yes, I think when Ollerton was stated in 1871, it was meant to be Ollerton in Nottinghamshire, rather than Cheshire. |
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Yvonne | Report | 3 Dec 2018 19:24 |
Well that's interesting. The record says he was convicted of bigamy on 29 Oct 1877 in Liverpool and was sentenced to 12 months. Don't know how we find if it's the same James Edwin though. |
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ArgyllGran | Report | 3 Dec 2018 19:36 |
Did James Irving die in childhood? |
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Yvonne | Report | 3 Dec 2018 19:44 |
Yes, looks like James did die in childhood, so though he was born in Kildare he died in Irvinestown where sister Margaret Catherine was born in 1873. Interestingly, two (possibly three) children born between James and Margaret Catherine were born in England. Maybe the reason is because of the bigamy conviction mentioned above!! |
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AustinQ | Report | 4 Dec 2018 16:23 |
I think it's likely the bigamy record is for the same James. |