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15 Apr 2018 17:30 |
Thank you both (just got in).
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Marian
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21 Aug 2018 16:36 |
Please see amendment
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21 Aug 2018 16:53 |
Re your amendment - for our reference -
Annabella Ross in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Annabella Ross Gender: Female Marriage Date: 1 Mar 1862 Marriage Place: Easington Near Guisborough,York,England Spouse: Brown Sowther FHL Film Number: 573988
Brown Souther in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Brown Souther Registration Year: 1862 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Guisborough Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 575 Records on Page: Name Annabella Ross Brown Souther
(The first record already posted by Mel, but copied here again for ease.)
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alviegal
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21 Aug 2018 18:16 |
A bit more info on this marriage record.
First name(s) Brown Last name Souther (labourer) Age 20 Birth year 1842 Residence Old Boulby Marriage year 1862 Marriage date 01 Mar 1862 Marriage place Easington in Cleveland Spouse's first name(s) Annabella Spouse's last name Ross (servant) Spouse's age 21 Spouse's residence Doulby (should read Boulby) Father's first name(s) David Father's last name Souther (labourer) Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Ross (shoemaker) County Yorkshire (North Riding) Country England Page 46 Archive Teesside Archives
They both made their marks. Witnesses were Robert Penzack? and Cyrus? Smith.
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alviegal
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21 Aug 2018 19:01 |
No help with the witnesses. This could possibly be Robert, perhaps a friend? Just going by location.
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ings House Farm, Old Boulby, Easington, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Robert Pennack Head Widower Male 55 1806 Farmer Of 116 Acres - Transcription Mary Andrew Daughter Married Female 23 1838 House Keeper - Transcription >>Robert Pennack Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Farmers Son William Pennack Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Farmers Son - Transcription Sarah Pennack Sister In Law Widow Female 48 1813 Farmers Widower Glaisdale, Yorkshire, England Transcription Alonzo Tate Servant Unmarried Male 19 1842 General Farm Servant Skelton, Yorkshire, England Transcription ???Hannah Ross Scholar Unmarried Female 18 1843 House Servant Skelton, Yorkshire, England Transcription John R Andrew Grandson - Male 0 1861 - Easington, Yorkshire, England
This is Cyrus.
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription The Village, Easington, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Cyrus Smith Head Married Male 32 1829 Schoolmaster & Reigstrar Of Births And Deaths York, Yorkshire, England Transcription Hannah B Smith Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Whitby, Yorkshire, England Transcription Hannah Bulmer Mother In Law Widow Female 67 1794 - Whitby, Yorkshire, England
I've edited this to include the rest of the household for the Pennacks. There is a Hannah Ross on this, not sure if she fits in somewhere? She appears to be the illegitimate daughter of a Margaret Ross.
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21 Aug 2018 19:29 |
Brown's death registration from GRO Index, showing his age ....
SOUTHEY, BROWN 23 GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 320
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alviegal
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21 Aug 2018 19:43 |
OOOH wonder if this could be her?
First name(s) Hannah Bella Last name Sowter Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1870 Registration month -
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Hannah Bella Sowter married one of these people
Robert Dowey, John Oswell District Guisborough District number - County Yorkshire Country England Volume 9D Volume as transcribed 9D Page number 626
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Back Street, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Dowey Head - Male 30 1841 - Yorkshire, England Transcription Hannah B Dowey Wife - Female 31 1840 - Yorkshire, England Transcription Christiana Dowey Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Yorkshire, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Street Houses, 2, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Robert Dowey Head Married Male 39 1842 Upton, Yorkshire, England Ironstone Miner Transcription Hannah J Dowey Wife Married Female 37 1844 >>Skelton, Yorkshire, England - Transcription Alice E Dowey Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Scholar
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Street Houses, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Robert Dowey Head Married Male 50 1841 Yorkshire, England Iron Stone Miner Transcription Hannah I Dowey Wife Married Female 48 1843 Yorkshire, England - (this does look like an I not a B) Transcription Alice E Atkinson Boarder Single Female 15 1876 Brotton, Yorkshire, England - Transcription George Winter Boarder - Male 8 1883 Yorkshire, England Scholar Transcription Michael Dowey Nephew - Male 5 1886 Yorkshire, England Scholar
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 17, Cleveland Street, Loftus, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Robert Dowey Head Married Male 59 1842 Yorkshire, England - Transcription Hannah I Dowey Wife Married Female 57 1844 Skelton, Yorkshire, England - Transcription William Dowey Brother Widower Male 70 1831 Loftus, Yorkshire, England Farm Labourer Transcription John G Sugget Boarder - Male 15 1886 Yorkshire, England Iron Foundry Labourer
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Aug 2018 19:59 |
That looks really godd, alviegal!!
I've been looking for all versions of Annabella, but never thought of Hannah!
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alviegal
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21 Aug 2018 20:02 |
England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Hannah Bella Last name Ross Gender Female Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1843 Baptism date 25 Jul 1843 Place Skelton by Guisborough County Yorkshire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Ross Mother's first name(s) Mary
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Margaret Ross Head Unmarried Female 26 1825 Dressmaker Ugthorpe, Yorkshire, England Transcription Hannah Ross Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Skelton, Yorkshire, England
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alviegal
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21 Aug 2018 20:11 |
Thanks Sylvia, it was a total fluke! But now I have to go out so I'll leave you to figure out why the census names her mother as Margaret and what happened to her father :-D
Can't find the Dowey children in the gro to confirm mother's name.
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Aug 2018 20:15 |
I've been trying to find the registrations for the two Dowey children on those censuses, to check mother's maiden name.
No apparent registration on Freebmd, GRO Index, or Yorkshire bmd ????????
Father ................. hmmm, another imaginary father made up by an illegitimate child?????
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Aug 2018 20:57 |
For information .......
Margaret Ross says she was born in Ugthorpe ..... this is in the Scarborough/Whitby area of Yorkshire
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SylviaInCanada
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21 Aug 2018 21:07 |
This Hannah Ross is working in Easington by 1861, putting her in the correct area.
Note the name of her employer and one of his sons .............. ????one ot the witnesses at the marriage??
1861 Census
Name: Hannah Ross Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: 1843 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Skelton, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Easington County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Guisbrough Sub-registration district: Lofthouse ED, institution, or vessel: 3 : Household schedule number: 55 Piece: 3651 Folio: 39 Page Number: 11
Robert Pennack 55 Farmer of 116 acres Mary Andrew 23 Daughter of farmer Robert Pennack 21 William Pennack 16 Sarah Pennack 48 Alonza Fate 19 Hannah Ross 18 House Servant John R Andrew 2/12 Robert Pennack's grandson
Address:- Ings (??) House Farm
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2018 21:30 |
I think this is Alice Dowey, mms Ross:
DAWE, ALICE mms ROE GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in GUISBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 509
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NO she's not!
She's the daughter of Isaac Dawe and Dorothy Ann Roe, who married 1874;
Alice Dawe in the 1881 England Census Name: Alice Dawe Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Isaac Dawe Mother: Dorothy Ann Dawe Gender: Female Where born: Moorsholn, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Skelton in Guisbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 16 Cockburn St Registration district: Guisborough ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: Piece: 4842 Folio: 36 Page Number: 66 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Dawe 34 Dorothy Ann Dawe 30 Mary Jane Dawe 6 John Dawe 4 Alice Dawe 3 Stephen Dawe 1 Dorothy Dawe Stephen Dawe 66 Frankland Roe 21
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2018 21:41 |
And Christiana - if Robert had been married before ??
DAY, CHRISTIANA mms MASON GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in SCARBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 324
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NO, ignore this one. She's the daughter of Thomas Day and Martha Mason, married Scarborough 1868
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ArgyllGran
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21 Aug 2018 22:17 |
(Have discounted Alice Dawe - see edit to post above.)
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Marian
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21 Aug 2018 22:24 |
Alvie, thank you so much, this is why I keep my subscription to Genes going. I would never have thought of Hannah Bella. So much more information for me, and thank you also Argyl and Sylvia.
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alviegal
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22 Aug 2018 13:44 |
Just to keep this more interesting, here is a John Ross, right area and time scale, who happens to be a shoemaker's apprentice. If you remember, Annabella's father was a shoemaker on her MC. There is a Thomas Lowe, shoemaker in the same household so possibly his master.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Skelton, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place John Ross Male 15 1826 shoemaker's apprentice Yorkshire, England
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alviegal
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22 Aug 2018 13:53 |
And a possible marriage?
First name(s) John Last name Ross Name note - Marriage year 1845 Marriage date 26 Nov 1845 Marriage place Guisborough Spouse's first name(s) Margt. Spouse's last name Beadnall County Yorkshire Country England
and 2 possible deaths before 1851.
Ross John — — 1847 England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
Ross John — — 1850 England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
From https://www.gro.gov.uk, this one could possibly be him.
ROSS, JOHN 29 Order GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 24 Page 251
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alviegal
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22 Aug 2018 14:06 |
Margaret Beadnall living in the same area as Margaret and Hannah Ross in 1851. Same occupation as well.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Mary Beadnall Female 40 1801 ag lab Yorkshire, England Transcription Margaret Beadnall Female 15 1826 dressmakers apprentice Yorkshire, England
and mother, Mary in the next household in 1851.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Beadnall Head Unmarried Female 57 1794 Pauper Charwoman Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
repasted 1851. The marital status could possibly be wrong. On the original image there is a line scored through which makes it difficult to make out if it's a U or an M.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Margaret Ross Head Unmarried Female 26 1825 Dressmaker Ugthorpe, Yorkshire, England Transcription Hannah Ross Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Skelton, Yorkshire, England
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