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just a point of clarity ...............

you say that in the 1861 Census, Margaret Abraham "....... is with her mother and stepfather (says daughter in law). Sarah’s mothers maiden name was Abraham."


Back in time, daughter-in-law (or son-in-law) was used to refer to stepdaughter or stepson.

No problem, glad it all seems to be fitting together. :-)

Thanks Alvie, what a small world, as soon as I seen Beadnall I knew I had seen the name before. It's a small world. The following is Brown Souter's grandparents:

1851 census Easington Yorkshire

John Metcalf 70 pauper formerly in the alum manufacture Easington
Sarah Metcalf 74 wife pauper
Margaret Abraham 3 lodger Hinderwell –

Margaret is the illegitimate daughter of Helena Margaret Abraham who marries William Beadnell in June Q 1852. In 8151 Helena is a house servant in Brotton with a family called Pace, aged 23, unmarried. In 1861 Margaret is with her mother and stepfather (says daughter in law). Sarah’s mothers maiden name was Abraham.

1861 census High Street Marske

William Beadnall 33 farmer of 78 acres Brotton
Helena M Beadnall 32 Easington
Margaret S Abram 12 daughter in law (step child) Staithes
John T Beadnall 6 Broxton (Brotton?)
Jane E Beadnall5 Broxton (Brotton?)
George Beadnall 1 Marske
Sarah Beadnall 9 Niece Brompton

Thanks again

Possible deaths for them.

First name(s) Margaret
Last name Garbutt
Age 66
Birth year 1821
Death year 1887
Burial year 1887
Burial date 01 Oct 1887
Church St Nicholas
Denomination Anglican
Place Guisborough


First name(s) Matthew
Last name Garbutt
Age 67
Birth year 1822
Death year 1889
Burial year 1889
Burial date 09 Oct 1889
Church St Nicholas
Denomination Anglican
Place Guisborough

Following through, I think Margaret remarried.

Margaret
Last name Ross
Name note -
Marriage year 1852
Marriage date 23 Aug 1852
Marriage place Guisborough
Spouse's first name(s) Matthew
Spouse's last name Garbutt
County Yorkshire




1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8, Wats Lane, Hutton Lowcross, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matthew Garbet Head Married Male 38 1823 Labourer At Ironstone Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Margaret Garbet Wife Married Female 32 1829 Dressmaker Guisborough, Yorkshire, England



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gardens Lodge, Hutton Cross, Low, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mathew Garbutt Head - Male 46 1825 - Yorkshire, England
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Margaret Garbutt Wife - Female 44 1827 - Yorkshire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Stable, Hutton Lowcross, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Mathew Garbutt Head Married Male 61 1820 Skelton, Yorkshire, England Groom (8)
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Margaret Garbutt Wife Married Female 58 1823 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England -
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Thomas Rodgerson Servant Single Male 21 1860 Willington, Northumberland, England Groom (8)

Margaret Beadnall living in the same area as Margaret and Hannah Ross in 1851. Same occupation as well.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Mary Beadnall Female 40 1801 ag lab Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Margaret Beadnall Female 15 1826 dressmakers apprentice Yorkshire, England


and mother, Mary in the next household in 1851.



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Beadnall Head Unmarried Female 57 1794 Pauper Charwoman Guisborough, Yorkshire, England


repasted 1851. The marital status could possibly be wrong. On the original image there is a line scored through which makes it difficult to make out if it's a U or an M.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Ross Head Unmarried Female 26 1825 Dressmaker Ugthorpe, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Ross Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Skelton, Yorkshire, England

And a possible marriage?

First name(s) John
Last name Ross
Name note -
Marriage year 1845
Marriage date 26 Nov 1845
Marriage place Guisborough
Spouse's first name(s) Margt.
Spouse's last name Beadnall
County Yorkshire
Country England


and 2 possible deaths before 1851.

Ross John — — 1847 England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England

Ross John — — 1850 England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England


From https://www.gro.gov.uk, this one could possibly be him.

ROSS, JOHN 29 Order
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 24 Page 251

Just to keep this more interesting, here is a John Ross, right area and time scale, who happens to be a shoemaker's apprentice. If you remember, Annabella's father was a shoemaker on her MC. There is a Thomas Lowe, shoemaker in the same household so possibly his master.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Skelton, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Ross Male 15 1826 shoemaker's apprentice Yorkshire, England

Alvie, thank you so much, this is why I keep my subscription to Genes going. I would never have thought of Hannah Bella. So much more information for me, and thank you also Argyl and Sylvia.

(Have discounted Alice Dawe - see edit to post above.)

And Christiana - if Robert had been married before ??


DAY, CHRISTIANA mms MASON
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in SCARBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 324


EDIT:

NO, ignore this one.
She's the daughter of Thomas Day and Martha Mason, married Scarborough 1868

I think this is Alice Dowey, mms Ross:

DAWE, ALICE mms ROE
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in GUISBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 509


EDIT:

NO she's not!

She's the daughter of Isaac Dawe and Dorothy Ann Roe, who married 1874;

Alice Dawe
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alice Dawe
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Isaac Dawe
Mother: Dorothy Ann Dawe
Gender: Female
Where born: Moorsholn, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Skelton in Guisbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 16 Cockburn St
Registration district: Guisborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 4842
Folio: 36
Page Number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Dawe 34
Dorothy Ann Dawe 30
Mary Jane Dawe 6
John Dawe 4
Alice Dawe 3
Stephen Dawe 1
Dorothy Dawe
Stephen Dawe 66
Frankland Roe 21

This Hannah Ross is working in Easington by 1861, putting her in the correct area.

Note the name of her employer and one of his sons .............. ????one ot the witnesses at the marriage??

1861 Census

Name: Hannah Ross
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: 1843
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Easington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Guisbrough
Sub-registration district: Lofthouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
:
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 3651
Folio: 39
Page Number: 11

Robert Pennack 55 Farmer of 116 acres
Mary Andrew 23 Daughter of farmer
Robert Pennack 21
William Pennack 16
Sarah Pennack 48
Alonza Fate 19
Hannah Ross 18 House Servant
John R Andrew 2/12 Robert Pennack's grandson

Address:- Ings (??) House Farm

For information .......

Margaret Ross says she was born in Ugthorpe ..... this is in the Scarborough/Whitby area of Yorkshire

I've been trying to find the registrations for the two Dowey children on those censuses, to check mother's maiden name.

No apparent registration on Freebmd, GRO Index, or Yorkshire bmd ????????


Father ................. hmmm, another imaginary father made up by an illegitimate child?????

Thanks Sylvia, it was a total fluke! But now I have to go out so I'll leave you to figure out why the census names her mother as Margaret and what happened to her father :-D

Can't find the Dowey children in the gro to confirm mother's name.

England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

First name(s) Hannah Bella
Last name Ross
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1843
Baptism date 25 Jul 1843
Place Skelton by Guisborough
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Ross
Mother's first name(s) Mary


???


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Ross Head Unmarried Female 26 1825 Dressmaker Ugthorpe, Yorkshire, England
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Hannah Ross Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Skelton, Yorkshire, England

That looks really godd, alviegal!!

I've been looking for all versions of Annabella, but never thought of Hannah!

OOOH wonder if this could be her?

First name(s) Hannah Bella
Last name Sowter
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1870
Registration month -

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Hannah Bella Sowter married one of these people

Robert Dowey, John Oswell
District Guisborough
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Volume as transcribed 9D
Page number 626



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Street, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Dowey Head - Male 30 1841 - Yorkshire, England
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Hannah B Dowey Wife - Female 31 1840 - Yorkshire, England
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Christiana Dowey Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Yorkshire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Street Houses, 2, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Robert Dowey Head Married Male 39 1842 Upton, Yorkshire, England Ironstone Miner
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Hannah J Dowey Wife Married Female 37 1844 >>Skelton, Yorkshire, England -
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Alice E Dowey Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Scholar




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Street Houses, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Robert Dowey Head Married Male 50 1841 Yorkshire, England Iron Stone Miner
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Hannah I Dowey Wife Married Female 48 1843 Yorkshire, England - (this does look like an I not a B)
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Alice E Atkinson Boarder Single Female 15 1876 Brotton, Yorkshire, England -
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George Winter Boarder - Male 8 1883 Yorkshire, England Scholar
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Michael Dowey Nephew - Male 5 1886 Yorkshire, England Scholar



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17, Cleveland Street, Loftus, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Robert Dowey Head Married Male 59 1842 Yorkshire, England -
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Hannah I Dowey Wife Married Female 57 1844 Skelton, Yorkshire, England -
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William Dowey Brother Widower Male 70 1831 Loftus, Yorkshire, England Farm Labourer
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John G Sugget Boarder - Male 15 1886 Yorkshire, England Iron Foundry Labourer

Brown's death registration from GRO Index, showing his age ....

SOUTHEY, BROWN 23
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 320