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brummie46
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7 Jun 2016 10:37 |
Wondering if someone could do a look up on 1891 census for the following:- Emily Jones born 1890 amd Florence.J.S.Jones born 1889 in Birmingham. Their mother was also Emily and her maiden name believe to be Lawrence. Cant find a marriage for Emily snr. although she went on to marry a Samuel Young in 1901 and had further children. Trying also to ascertain to the name of Emily and Florence father and where they also lived. Any help would be much appreciated. thank you
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malyon
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7 Jun 2016 10:46 |
this is the 1901 census
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Emily Jones England and Wales Census, 1901 Name Emily Jones Event Type Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England County Warwickshire Civil Parish Aston Ecclesiastical Parish St Lawrence Sub-District Duddeston Registration District Aston Residence Note Dartmouth Street Gender Female Age 11 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Birth Year (Estimated) 1890 Birthplace B'Ham Schedule Type 160 Page Number 31
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Age
Birthplace
William Jones Head M 52 B'Ham Willm Jones Son M 21 B'Ham Florence Jones Daughter F 16 B'Ham Emily Jones Daughter F 11 B'Ham Polly Jones Daughter F 9 B'Ham Jack Jones Son M 5 B'Ham Abel Jones Son M 3 B'Ham William Colburn Step Son M 16 B'Ham Alfred Colburn Step Son M 14 B'Ham Geo Edwd Colburn Step Son M 11 B'Ham
Emily Jones England and Wales Census, 1901 Name Emily Jones Event Type Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Aston, Warwickshire, England County Warwickshire Civil Parish Aston Ecclesiastical Parish St Lawrence Sub-District Duddeston Registration District Aston Residence Note Dartmouth Street Gender Female Age 11 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Birth Year (Estimated) 1890 Birthplace B'Ham Schedule Type 160 Page Number 31
Household
Role
Gender
Age
Birthplace
William Jones Head M 52 B'Ham Willm Jones Son M 21 B'Ham Florence Jones Daughter F 16 B'Ham Emily Jones Daughter F 11 B'Ham Polly Jones Daughter F 9 B'Ham Jack Jones Son M 5 B'Ham Abel Jones Son M 3 B'Ham William Colburn Step Son M 16 B'Ham Alfred Colburn Step Son M 14 B'Ham Geo Edwd Colburn Step Son M 11 B'Ham
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malyon
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7 Jun 2016 10:48 |
no parents mentioned living in same street as 1901 census
Name Emily Jones Event Type Census Event Date 1891 County Warwickshire Parish Nechells Ecclesiastical Parish ST LAWRENCE Registration District Aston Residence Note Dartmouth Street Gender Female Age 1 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Birth Year (Estimated) 1890 Birthplace Warwickshire, England Page Number 13 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 2418/ 111
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Gender
Age
Birthplace
Minnie Jones Daughter F 8 Warwickshire, England Florrie Jones Daughter F 6 Warwickshire, England Emily Jones Daughter F 1 Warwickshire, England
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Andrew
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7 Jun 2016 10:55 |
For ref
Name:Florence Jane S Jones Registration Year:1889 Registration Quarter:Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district:Aston Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County:Warwickshire Volume:6d Page:323
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:01 |
This is the Ancestry version of that 1891 census posted by Malyon.
Parents Sarah and William, so presumably the same family as that in the 1901 posted by Malyon, - so not Emily senior's family, unless the girls had been sent to live with relatives.
Emily Jones in the 1891 England Census Name: Emily Jones Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Williams Jones Mother's name: Sarah A Jones Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Dartmouth Street Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2418 Folio: 111 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Williams Jones 43 Sarah A Jones 30 Lizzie Jones 14 Alfred Jones 11 William Jones 11 Minnie Jones 8 Florrie Jones 6 Emily Jones 1
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brummie46
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7 Jun 2016 11:08 |
Malyon, as Argyllgran mentioned its not the correct family but thank you for your time. Andy thank you for your details but already have the same info. Still hoping someone can find details of parents of young Emily and Florence.
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malyon
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7 Jun 2016 11:18 |
this could be William and Emily in 1891 census in Clapham
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William Jones England and Wales Census, 1891 Name William Jones Event Type Census Event Date 1891 County London Parish Clapham Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHNS Registration District Wandsworth Residence Note Larkhall Lane Gender Male Age 42 Marital Status Married Occupation Green Grocer Relationship to Head of Household Head Birth Year (Estimated) 1849 Birthplace England Page Number 4 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 441/ 156
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Age
Birthplace
William Jones Head M 42 England Emily Jones Wife F 39 England William Jones Son M 18 England George Jones Son M 15 England Elizabeth Jones Daughter F 14 England Thomas Jones Son M 12 England Emily Jones Daughter F 9 England Annie Jones Daughter F 7 England
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brummie46
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7 Jun 2016 11:20 |
Sorry Malyon don't think they were connected to Clapham.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:27 |
Just a possibility:
Florence Jones in the 1891 England Census Name: Florence Jones Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Relation: Patient Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub registration district: Lady Wood ED, institution, or vessel: Childrens Hospital Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2374 Folio: 137 Page Number: 3
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:35 |
Another possibility:
On Ancestry, this family is wrongly listed as lodgers in a completely different household.
Florence Jones in the 1891 England Census Name: Florence Jones Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1889 Relation: Lodger Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: St Michael and St John Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Coventry County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 1 Warwick Lane Registration district: Coventry ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2449 Folio: 146 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age George Jones 32 - iron polisher (?) Emely Jones 23 Florence Jones 2 Ellen Jones 2/12 - maybe Emily known as Ellen to distinguish her from her mother ? - though maybe too young to be Emily junior?)
All born Birmingham. (plus two lodgers)
Which of these births is your Emily? Births Mar 1890 (>99%) Jones Emily Aston 6d 360 Jones Emily Maud Aston 6d 283
Births Sep 1890 (>99%) Jones Emily Aston 6d 256 Jones Emily Aston 6d 384
Births Dec 1890 (>99%) Jones Emily Aston 6d 377
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:45 |
Possibly the marriage of that George and Emely ???
Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%) Fisher Mary Elizabeth Aston 6d 404 Jones George Aston 6d 404 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< MORRIS Emily Aston 6d 404 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SNAPE Charles Henry Aston 6d 404
Or maybe this one:
Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%) Jones George Birmingham 6d 149 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< LILLEY Thomas Birmingham 6d 149 RILEY Edith Birmingham 6d 149 Tonks Emily Birmingham 6d 149 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I haven't checked the other names in later censuses.
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Andrew
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7 Jun 2016 11:45 |
What about this??
Name:Florence Jones Age:2 Estimated birth year:abt 1889 Relation:Lodger Gender:Female Where born:Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish:St Michael and St John Ecclesiastical parish:St Michael Town:Coventry County/Island:Warwickshire Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district:Coventry ED, institution, or vessel:13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:2449 Folio:146 Page Number:12 Household Members: Name Age
George Jones 32 Emely Jones 23 Florence Jones 2 Ellen Jones 2/12
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Andrew
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7 Jun 2016 11:48 |
and maybe marriage?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Jones George Coventry 6d 655 Lawrence Emily Jane Coventry 6d 655
Correct maiden name for Emily from original post.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:50 |
Census already posted, Andy.
But not the marriage - looks good!
Brummie46 - why do you think Emily Lawrence was the mother?
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malyon
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7 Jun 2016 11:50 |
could this be the death of sarah ann jones in census 1891 same age
Deaths Jun 1892 (>99%)
Jones Sarah Ann 32 Birmingham 6d 69
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brummie46
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7 Jun 2016 11:52 |
argyllGran I think you have found some connection for I couldn't understand where the young Emily came from for we knew my husbands grandmother (Florence) had a younger sister named Nellie but didn't think this was her correct name, thought possibly could be Helen. So parents could be George and Emily so will see if I can find a marriage for them and also death for George for older Emily remarried in 1901. thank you so much for your time, its much appreciated.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:52 |
I think we've ruled out that family with Sarah Ann, Malyon.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:53 |
Brummie46 - did you notice that Andy has posted a likely looking marriage for George & Emily?
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Andrew
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7 Jun 2016 11:54 |
Sorry ArgyllGran, didn't your post.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jun 2016 11:57 |
Age doesn't match 1891 census - but maybe ???
Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%) Jones George 38 Coventry 6d 412
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If they had moved to Birmingham before George died, this one fits better with the census re age:
Deaths Jun 1895 (>99%) Jones George 37 Birmingham 6d 14
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