Find Ancestors

yes ArgyllGran and Andy have checked marriage for George and Emily to which was Coventry so. now to ascertain which is the correct death of George.
thank you for I am slowly putting things in place now.

More detail for George and Emily marriage


Name:Emily Jane Lawrence
Birth Year:abt 1868
Age:19
Spouse Name: George Jones
Spouse Age:28 (20 on image)
Marriage or Bann Date:29 May 1887
Event Type:Marriage
Parish:Coventry, All Saints
Father Name:Charles Lawrence - Shoemaker
Spouse Father Name:James Jones - Gunmaker
Spouse Mother Name:Jones


Andy

Andy, Brilliant

I wonder if this is Emily in 1871?

Father Charles is a Shoemaker, but her age is slighty wrong and census says she was born in Birmingham, not Hereford


Name:Emily Jane Lawrence
Age:1
Estimated birth year:abt 1870
Relation:Daughter
Father's name:Charles Lawrence
Mother's name:Jane Lawrence
Gender:Female
Where born:Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish:All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish:Hereford All Saints
County/Island:Herefordshire
Country:England
Registration district:Hereford
Sub-registration district:Hereford City
ED, institution, or vessel:2
Household schedule number:164
Piece:2696
Folio:43
Page Number:29
Household Members:
Name
Age


Charles Lawrence 45
Jane Lawrence 35
Charles Lawrence 12
George Lawrence 9
Thomas Lawrence 6
Noah Lawrence 4
>>> Emily Jane Lawrence 1

Andy

Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
Lawrence Emily Jane Hereford 6a 478


I can't see a birth of any Emily Lawrence in Birmingham 1865-70, with or without middle name.

[ EDIT:
There's an Emily Maria born in Aston, but clearly that's not her:

Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
Lawrence Emily Maria Aston 6d 301 ]

The1891 census is not accurate in other ways - putting the Jones family with a different household, spelling Emily as Emely, etc - so ditto-ing her birthplace as Birmingham, same as her husband, would be an easy additional mistake to make.

As the 1871 census has her birthplace , father's name, and father's occupation correct, I would think that's the right Emily.

Emily J . Laurence
in the 1881 England Census

Name: Emily J . Laurence
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Charles Laurence
Mother: Jane Laurence
Gender: Female
Where born: St Peters, Hereford, England
Civil Parish: Hereford St Peter
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address: 4 Bath Street
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Hereford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2594
Folio: 53
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Laurence 54 - shoemaker
Jane Laurence 45
George Laurence 19
Emily J. Laurence 11
Alfred E. Laurence 8
Frank Laurence 5
Francis G. Laurence 5 - grandson

this gets better due to Andrew and ArgyllGran.

Charles Lawrence
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Charles Lawrence
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Lawrence
Gender: Male
Where born: Marden, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
Town: Hereford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hereford
Sub-registration district: Hereford City
ED, institution, or vessel: 7g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 234
Piece: 1820
Folio: 51
Page Number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Lawrence 35 - labourer
Jane Lawrence 26
Mary Ann Lawrence 7
Amelia Lawrence 5
Chas Lawrence 1


????

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
LAWRENCE Charles Hereford 6a 927
MASON Jane Hereford 6a 927

Can't see daughter Amelia in 1871, but this will be her marriage:

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
DALE William Hereford 6a 951
LAWRENCE Amelia Hereford 6a 951



Amelia Dale
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Amelia Dale
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William Dale
Gender: Female
Where born: Marden, Hereford, England
Civil Parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 62 Long Acre
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3034
Folio: 105
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dale 30
Amelia Dale 26
Alice Dale 7
William Dale 3

thanks again for all the information

Andy and ArgyllGran have managed to find more information on Emily.J.Lawrence who wed Samuel.F Young. Hence children NOra 1899 James 1901 but then find Charles 1907 William 1908 Lily 1910. Got marriage of NOra and James but now to find marriage for Charles William and Lily. It seems that Samuel alongside son Charles sailed to Quebec in 1921 so what happened to Emily.J.(snr) that's another investigation. Still struggling along with Emily JOnes (1891 (or ellen) to find out to whom she wed I know she wed for a second time to someone name Wilf but that's another search for me. I am also wondering if Lily 1910 could be the person living with the Palletts (Nora) in Birmingham in 1950s.
THank you so much for your help but as you can guess more work to investiage.

would like look up please for 1911 census to see where William and Lily were living and still to find Emily (ellen/Helen JOnes 1891) thank you

Emily must have been using Samuel's surname before marriage.

Emily and Samuel married in the 3rd quarter of 1901:

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
JONES Emily Jane Birmingham 6d 323
Young Samuel Francis Birmingham 6d 323


but here she is in 1901 census, which was 31st March:

Emily Young
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Emily Young
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Samuel Young
Birth Place: Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Church
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2819
Folio: 75
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 144
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Young 31
Emily Young 31
Florence Jones 12
Emily Jones 10
Nora Young 2
James Young 4/12


and in 1911, which you asked for:

Emily Young
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Emily Young
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hereford, Herefordshire
Civil Parish: Smethwick
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: 68 Gilbert Rd, Smethwick
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 18
Estimated Marriage Year: 1893
Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration district: Kings Norton
Registration District Number: 383
Sub-registration district: Smethwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 169
Piece: 17951
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Young 40
Emily Young 40
Nora Young 12
James Young 10
Charles Young 4
William Young 3
Lily May Young 1

Ancestry suggests this is Lily May's marriage:

Lillie May Young
in the Web: Manitoba, Marriage Index, 1879-1931
Name: Lillie May Young
Gender: Female
Spouse: David Melville
Marriage Date: 31 Dec 1931
Marriage Place: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Your Lily went to Quebec with her family:
Lily May Young
in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Lily May Young
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Birth Place: Smethwick, England
Age: 12
Date of Arrival: Sep 1921
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Empress of France (Empress of Britain on image)

She was travelling with her mother, and going to join her father, Samuel F Young, at 373 Sydney Avenue, East Kildonan, Winnipeg.

Her nearest relative left in the UK was her uncle James Lawrence, at 156 Burlington Road, Small Heath, Birmingham

Emily J Young
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Emily J Young
Gender: Female
Age: 51
Birth Date: abt 1870
Departure Date: 1 Sep 1921
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Empress of Britain
Shipping line: Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number: 120940
Master: Captain Griffiths


Address: 68 Gilbert road, Smethwick
Travelling with Wm John, 13; L. May, 11; and Ivy E, 9.

Perhaps Emily (1891) in 1911??
Boarding with the Tandy family.


Emily Jones
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Emily Jones
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 43 Blews Street Birmingham
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Driller Cycle Accessories
Registration district: Birmingham
Registration District Number: 384
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 18090

You say that Emily / Ellen 's second husband was Wilf.

What was her first husband's name, please?

EDIT: Oh, I see you don't know that, having re-read your post.
EDIT again: At least I think that's what you meant??

"Still struggling along with Emily JOnes (1891 (or ellen) to find out to whom she wed I know she wed for a second time to someone name Wilf "


Do you know roughly when she married Wilf?

ArgylleGran, well you have possibly answered many a question to what we have been asking for many years. Emily.J.Young was my husbands gr grandmother so it seems that she went to Canada with her children and husband and left her other daughters Florence and Emily/ellen JOnes alongside Nora (young) but you state another child?? Ivy age 9 and that James Lawrence was her uncle but I think he would be her older brother. We have amongst old photos some photos sent from Canada with writing on the back but cant make it all out due to glue etc., but all we can make out is that it says from your loving sister and son was a few months old. So I truly think there is some connection there.
Regarding younger Emily/Ellen I have now idea when her second marriage was all I know that Wilf came from Guernsey and not to sure if that was his correct name.

I think you've misunderstood about James Lawrence. He is stated as Lily's uncle, not Emily J's - therefore he's Emily J's brother.

Re Emily / Ellen - without knowing her first married name, it's pretty well impossible to find her second one. Emily Jones is a very common name.
There are lots of marriages between Emilys and Wilfreds - and as you say, it may well not have been his official name.


This is Ivy's birth:

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Young Ivy E Lawrence King's N. 6c 877

There's tree on Ancestry which has a photo of Ivy.

Web: Manitoba, Marriage Index, 1879-1931
Name Ivy Elsie Young
Gender Female
Marriage Date 18 May 1929
Marriage Place Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Household Members
Name Age
Henry Lee
Ivy Elsie Young


Apparently she and Henry had a son born the year before the marriage, and two daughters in the 1930's . ROSE MARIE LEE(1931–1991) and Sylvia Margaret (lee) Gerk(1933–2012)

The tree also says this is her death - in which case she must have remarried at some point. Henry didn't die until 1982, according to the tree, so they must have divorced:

Ivy Elsie Harrison
in the British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
Name: Ivy Elsie Harrison
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1912
Death Age: 64
Death Date: 3 Apr 1976
Death Location: Kelowna
Registration Number: 1976-09-009395
BCA Number: B13352
GSU Number: 2050565


This is stated to be Ivy's brother Charles's death:

Michigan, Death Index, 1971-1996
View Record
Name Charles H Young
Birth Date 3 Dec 1907
Death Date 10 Sep 1981
Gender Male
Residence Marengo, Calhoun, Michigan
Place of Death Marshall, Calhoun, Michigan

No death details are given for Emily J.

The tree also makes no mention of Emily J's first marriage, nor of young Emily or Florence.