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I think today is the day I could have found him...... Although I haven't seen all of the household for this census, year & place of birth, year of marriage are the same and the proximity of Whitchurch to Wrexham roughly 16 miles


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
First Name John
Last Name Buchanan
Birth Year 1876
Age 35
Where Born Whitchurch Salop
Relationship To Head of Household Head
Gender Male
Condition Married
Year Of Marriage 1902
Years Of Marriage 9
Occupation Pedlar
Military Info
Address 4 Mc Dermotts Court York Street Wrexham
Parish Wrexham Regis
County Denbighshire
Country Wales
Ecclesiastical District
Enumeration District 38
Registration District Wrexham
Registration District Number 621
SubDistrict Number 3
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Collections from Great Britain
Census Reference RG14PN34065 RG78PN1965 RD621 SD3 ED38 SN15
Archive Reference RG14
Folio
Page
Piece Number 34065

well done!!!


here's the ancestry version ...............

1911 Wales Census

Name: John Buchanan
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Wrexham Regis
Search Photos: Search for 'Wrexham Regis' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 4 McDermotts Court York St Wrexham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Occupation: Pedlar
Registration district: Wrexham
Registration District Number: 621
Sub-registration district: Wrexham
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 34065

John Buchanan 35
Rose Buchanan 28 b.ca 1883,
Thomas Edwen Buchanan 6 b.ca 1905
Sarah Jane Buchanan 4 b.ca 1907


Image for birthplace of both John and Rose is Whitchurch, Salop, and the children were born in Chester

I'll try to add that information, if I can


Interesting that he says he and Rose married in 1902, and the first child was born in 1905 ??????

Oh ................


just noticed that there is an entry in the Infirmity column for John .................. right side paralyzed

can't see any births for Buchanan with those names ..........


??????? assuming that "born in Chester" on the 1911 meant the births were registered in Chester

Births Sep 1904 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Thomas Edwin Chester 8a 382

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
Williams Sarah Jane Chester 8a 397


although there are also these registrations in Chester for Sarah Jane's

Births Mar 1907 (>99%)
GAWTHORPE Sarah Jane Chester 8a 377
YOUDE Sarah Jane Chester 8a 356

Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Roberts Sarah Jane Chester 8a 376

Take this as you will ..................


this might be the baptism of Thomas Edwin born September quarter 1904, from FMP ...............


Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms c1538-1910

First name(s) Thomas Edwin
Last name Williams
Gender Male
Birth year 1904
Birth date 07 Aug 1904
Baptism year 1904
Baptism date 09 Sep 1904
Place Chester, St John
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Williams
Mother's first name(s) Rose
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish baptisms 1538-1911
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom

from image:-

Born Aug 7 1904
Address:- 17 Leadworks Lane
Father occupation:- Soldier



Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms c1538-1910

First name(s) Sarah Jane
Last name Williams
Gender Female
Birth year 1906
Birth date 09 Jun 1906
Baptism year 1906
Baptism date 29 Jul 1906
Place Chester, St John
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Samuel
Father's last name Williams
Mother's first name(s) Rose
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish baptisms 1538-1911
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom

from image:-

Born:- June 9 1906
Address:- 17 Leadworks Lane
Father occupation:- Labourer



now to see if there is a Samuel and Rose Williams on the 1911 Census :-)

I cannot find Thomas Edw*n Williams or Sarah Jane Williams with parents Samuel and Rose on the 1911 ............... though I might be missing something :-)


Theory ..................

John Buchanan and Rose moved in together, said they were married on the 1911, but the children are Rose's

Thanks, very well could be the case with him
That's what I thought as I was reading it. the reasons he probably wasn't spoken of are becoming increasingly clear.....
I've found someone who disappeared as a child then reappeared later listed as her biological mothers younger sister, it's amazing how things are covered up and over in families
I need to get ancestry again such a good site ??

well,

I'm now using both ancestry and FindMyPast ............ haven't had a sub to FMP for longer than a month before, but OH bought it for me for Christmas (and I got a deal for him :-D )

I'm finding FMP has quite a lot of records that ancestry doesn't have .............


but really wouldn't want to sway you.

I find ancestry easier to use, even after the latest updates ................. I've been using it since 2004, so I think I must know my way around.

FMP doesn't seem as easy to use to me.

re the other 3 Sarah Jane's

both Thomas Edwin & Sarah Jane Williams are on cheshirebmd subdistrict Chester Castle whereas the other 3 Sarah are not

Thank you both
I'm thinking the puzzle has been solved now, can't thank you enough
Sylvia I believe your theory of :John Buchanan and Rose moved in together, said they were married on the 1911, but the children are Rose's
Wonder what happened to cause his paralysis? probably tripped when he was legging it ha ha!!


;-)

So how would I trace him after this, their bigamist marriage or his death? I wouldn't have a clue...... what now to put into a search marriage or death cert?