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Royal Flying Corps illegitimacy mystery!

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alviegal

alviegal Report 10 May 2014 22:24

Wonder if this has anything to do with Jeanie McVean?


Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 about James Mcvean
Name: James Mcvean
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 10 Jun 1856
Birth Place: Largs,Ayr,Scotland
Father: John Mcvean
>>Mother: Jean Mcfarlane
FHL Film Number: 6035516



Scotland, Select Marriages, 1561-1910 about John Mcvean
Name: John Mcvean
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 29 May 1846
Marriage Place: Largs,Ayr,Scotland
Spouse: Jane Mcfarlane
FHL Film Number: 1041392


EDIT


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name JOHN
Last Name MCVEAN
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 29
Year Of Birth 1822
Occupation GAMEKEEPER TO THE EARL OF GLASW
Birth Place -
Birth Town KILMIRTIN
Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE
House Number -
House Name HAYLEE FARM
Street HAYLEE FARM
Town LARGS
Parish LARGS(AYR)
City -
County Ayrshire
Hamlet -
Parliamentary Borough -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District CUNNINGHAM

JOHN MCVEAN HEAD 29 1822 KILMIRTIN
Transcription
JEAN MCFARLINE WIFE 28 1823 KILMIRTIN ARGYLLSHIRE
Transcription
ELIZABETH MCVEAN DAUGHTER 4 1847 LARGS
Transcription
MARGARET MCVEAN DAUGHTER 2 1849 LARGS



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name JOHN
Last Name MCVEAN
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 58
Year Of Birth 1823
Occupation MOLE CATHER
Birth Town KILMARTIN G
Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE
Birth Place -
House Number -
House Name VILLAGE OF STOCKVULLIN
Street -
Town -
Parish KILMARTIN

JOHN MCVEAN HEAD 58 1823
Transcription
JANE MCVEAN WIFE 57 1824
KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE G
MARGT MCVEAN DAUGHTER 32 1849
LARGS
JAMES MCVEAN SON 21 1860
CO MEATH IRELAND G
GEO MCFARLANE NEPHEW 4 1877 GLASGOW



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
First Name JOHN
Last Name MCVEAN
Relationship HEAD
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Age 67
Year Of Birth 1824
Occupation MOLE CATCHER
Birth Town KILMARTIN
Birth County ARGYLLSHIRE
Birth Place -
House Name STOCKVULLIN
Street -
Town -
Parish KILMARTIN
City -
County Argyllshire
Registration District KILMARTIN

JOHN MCVEAN HEAD 67 1824
Transcription
JEANIE MCVEAN WIFE 66 1825
BARDROCHIL
Birth County DUMFRIESSHIRE
GEORGE MCFARLANE NEPHEW 14 1877
Occupation SADDLER
Birth Town -
Birth County LANARKSHIRE

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2014 22:28

Jane's birth:

1887 MCFARLANE JANE CARRUTHERS F WEST KILBRIDE /AYR 620/00 0062

The name Carruthers is therefore nothing to do with George's father.

ADDED:
Born 7th Sept 1887, to George McFarlane, working joiner, and Flora McFarlane, ms Baxter.
Parents were married June 18th 1885, in Greenock.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2014 22:34

Jane's parents' marriage:

1885 MCFARLANE GEORGE BAXTER FLORA GREENOCK EAST /RENFREW 564/02 0060

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2014 22:41

EDIT: This is not the right Flora (see her marriage cert details in a later post below) . The correct Flora was born in Argyll.


This is the only Flora Baxter born in Renfrewshire 1845 - 68.
You'd have to buy credits on SP and view her marriage cert, to see if this is the right one, per parents' names.

28/07/1850 BAXTER FLORA MALCOLM BAXTER/EUPHEMIA GALBRAITH FR2414 (FR2414) F ABBEY /RENFREW 559/00 0070 0449

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2014 22:53

From the info in 1891 and 1901 censuses, this will be Jane's father's birth. Still no clue as to the reason for the name Carruthers - thought it might have been his mother's ms, but no!

17/01/1832 MCFARLAN GEORGE JAMES MCFARLAN/ELISABETH BELL FR364 (FR364) M KILMARTIN /ARGYLL

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 10 May 2014 23:01

It could be that the name Carruthers came from the next generation back.
In the case of my grandfather his middle name was not his mother's maiden name but his grandmother's.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2014 23:05

Flora's death;

1920 MCFARLANE FLORA BAXTER F 73 CATHCART (LANARK) GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 633/0B 0303

Maybe George went to Detroit after her death.

EDIT:

No, he'd have been too old to run in a race, as rootgatherer has already pointed out.

EDIT AGAIN:
but see Catfr2009's reply below - not running, apparently, so maybe it was him after all.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2014 23:09

There's this, with no other information on the image.
There's a similar record of a George McFarlane going to Detroit in 1917.
Probably nothing to do with the George who won the race.

Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957 about George Mcfarlane
Name: George Mcfarlane
Arrival Date: 16 Jan 1920

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_59

Catfr2009

Catfr2009 Report 10 May 2014 23:16

Detroit is definitely a link because we have a medal of some sort with his name on it .. Longest train journey or something, can't remember offhand though!

The death in 1920 is certainly her as the Cathcart area is stated on her death certificate!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 May 2014 23:21

I had thought it was a medal for a race - ie - running - but if not, then maybe it was Flora's husband George who won whatever it was.

Catfr2009

Catfr2009 Report 11 May 2014 00:32

We've finally worked out what the medal says - "Longest distance travelled Glasgow to Bob-low 18th August 1927. George McFarlane"

patchem

patchem Report 11 May 2014 06:38

This Bob-low?

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ffdEsKTApSoC&pg=PA6&lpg=PA6&dq=bob-low+detroit&source=bl&ots=BJYWAkuu9U&sig=rZgWjhmcTZf0rKcqy_tiEa3V9KI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zQtvU__fHMPBOKu3gaAI&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=bob-low%20detroit&f=false

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 08:40

In that case I would guess the "medal" is some sort of novelty souvenir bought at this funfair:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boblo_Island_Amusement_Park

George was likely just on holiday, or visiting relatives.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 08:46

Perhaps he was there for the St Andrew's Society Picnic, or the Scotch Picnic, August 18th?

http://cec.chebucto.org/ClosPark/Boblo.html

That year (1927) The United Commercial Travelers held their first ever picnic at Bob-Lo. It attracted 5,000. Other picnics mentioned for that season were The United States Naturalization Bureau, The Police Lieutenants (August 8th), and The Scotch Picnic and St. Andrew's Society Picnic, both held August 18th. The Scotch Picnic drew 12.000. Events included a parade with participants in traditional costume, bagpipe contests, and sport games like the caber toss.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 May 2014 09:55

Still think it unlikely that the medal would have belonged to Jane's father. He would have been 90 in 1927. When did he die please? Was his marriage to Flora a second marriage and if so did he have children from his first marriage?

There are a few Scots born George McFalanes on the 1930 and 1940 Detroit census.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 13:32

I've had a look at George & Flora's marriage cert, and yes, you're right, rootgatherer, it was George's second marriage, as he was a widower(age 49). Flora was a spinster, age 38 (though she was actually 35).

George's usual address: Sea Mill, West Kilbride;
Parents: James McFarlane, ground officer, deceased, and Elizabeth McFarlane, ms Bell, deceased.

Flora's address: Daltote, North Knapdale.
Parents: Neil Baxter, farmer, deceased, and Mary Baxter, ms McAlpine.

So this is Flora's birth, and not the one I posted further up this page:

15/01/1850 BAXTER FLORA NEIL BAXTER/MARGARET MCALPINE FR327 (FR327) F NORTH KNAPDALE /ARGYLL 530/00 0020 0157

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 14:13

EDIT: Oops - already posted by Alviegal.

George in 1871, but without spending more credits on SP, can't see if he was a widower then or not:


1871 Scotland Census about George Mcfarlane
Name: George Mcfarlane
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilmartin, arengleshire
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St George
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 79 Grove Street
Occupation: Joiner
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 71
LINE: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_134
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Marshell 40
Ann Marshall 36
Agnes Marshell 14
George Mcfarlane 38
Thomas Boyd 18
George Boyd 24
Peter Millen 21


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 14:20

There's this one - he's a carpenter. It doesn't say if he's single, married, or widowed. No other McFarlanes listed with him:


1861 Census of Canada about George Mcfarlane
Name: George Mcfarlane
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Year: 1831
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1861: Ramsay, Lanark, Canada West
Religion: Free Church
Film Number: C-1043
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
George Mcfarlane 30

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 May 2014 14:40

George in 1851:


1851 Scotland Census about George Macfarlan
Name: George Macfarlan
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James Macfarlan
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilmartin, argyle
Parish Number: 521
Civil Parish: Kilmartin
County: Argyll
Address: Slockvullin
Occupation: Ap House Carpenter
ED: 4
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 18
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1851_111
Household Members:
Name Age
James Macfarlan 63
Ann Macfarlan 21
George Macfarlan 19
James Macfarlan 15
Mary A McKechnes 14
James Kerr 55
Dickson Kerr 20
John Kerr 17

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 11 May 2014 15:10

If George died died in Scotland, his death certificate may give the name of his first wife if the informant knew the details. I suspect there were children from his first marriage as the son from the second marriage was named for Flora's father which is unusual for Scots at that time.