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15 Oct 2013 21:43 |
If it is the one that married I think they went to USA, but i don't have access to look at birth place
U.S. City Directories, 1821-1989 SCHOOLS, DIRECTORIES & CHURCH HISTORIESView Image
NAME: Otto W Roehill SPOUSE: Ethel L Roehill <<<< RESIDENCE: date - city, Florida, USA
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15 Oct 2013 21:46 |
1911 England Census about Ethel Roehll Name: Ethel Roehll Age in 1911: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Chichester, Chester, England (Image says Sussex, Chichester) Civil Parish: Wandsworth County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 4 Bellamy Street, Balham S W Marital Status: Married Registration District: Wandsworth Registration District Number: 26 Sub-registration District: Streatham ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Piece: 2302 Household Members: Name Age Otto Roehll 35 Ethel Roehll 33 Grace Roehll 1 William Webb 25 James Carruthers 72
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15 Oct 2013 21:48 |
Florida, Divorce Index, 1927-2001 about Ethel Louise Roehll Name: Ethel Louise Roehll Gender: Female Spouse's Name: Otto Roehll Divorce Date: 1943 County: Dade Certificate Number: 4882
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15 Oct 2013 21:49 |
Florida, Naturalization Records, 1847-1995 about Ethel Louise Roehll Name: Ethel Louise Roehll Birth Date: 9 Mar 1877 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Birth Place: Chichester, England Age: 59 Spouse's Name: William Otto Roehll Marriage Date: 2 Dec 1909 Marriage Place: London, Ontario, Canada Naturalization Date: 12 Jun 1936 Naturalization Place: Miami, Florida, USA Doc Type: Petition Petition Number: 2192 District Court Location: Miami, Florida
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15 Oct 2013 21:55 |
well the birth date matches with the birth mentioned before?
Births Jun 1877 (>99%) FULLER Ethel Louise Westhampnett 2b 343
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Catherine
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15 Oct 2013 22:00 |
I wonder?
would fit with marriag to Otto Roehill :-
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Ethel Roehill Name: Ethel Roehill Gender: Female Age: 48 Birth Date: abt 1877 Departure Date: 25 Sep 1925 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Doric Search Ship Database: Search the 'Doric' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line Official Number: 147215 Master: S Bolton
..............also date of birth would fit.
Address given is 153 Shaftesbury Avenue, London Travelling with:- Grace Roehill aged 15yrs
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15 Oct 2013 22:01 |
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Grace Roehill Name: Grace Roehill Gender: Female Age: 15 Birth Date: abt 1910 Departure Date: 25 Sep 1925 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Quebec, Canada Ship Name: Doric Search Ship Database: Search the 'Doric' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: White Star Dominion Line Official Number: 147215 Master: S Bolton Travelling with Ethel Roehill 48......Housewife...153 Shaftesbury Avenue
Country of which citizen or subject......Germany
Country of intended furure permanent residence......USA
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15 Oct 2013 22:02 |
It certainly all marries up, and have looked into those in our search but cant tie up the details with Folkestone
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ArgyllGran
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15 Oct 2013 22:03 |
Wow!! Can this be her working at Blenheim for the Spencer Churchills??
1901 England Census about Ethel Fuller Name: Ethel Fuller Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relation: Servant (Laundrymaid) Gender: Female Where born: Chester, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Blenheim Ecclesiastical parish: Blenheim Town: Blenheim County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Street Address: Blenheim Palace Registration District: Woodstock Sub-registration District: Woodstock ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 154 Piece: 1391 Folio: 26 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Consuelo Marlborough 24 John E A W Spencer Churchill 3 Ivon C Spencer Churchill 2
Plus 35 servants, including Ethel.
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15 Oct 2013 22:04 |
There's not necessarily any reason for any of the details to tie up with Folkestone - she may just have gone there to give birth to her illegitimate daughter - maybe somewhere she wasn't known.
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Sue
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15 Oct 2013 22:18 |
it says on Doris's birth certificate that Ethel is a chambermaid (domestic)
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15 Oct 2013 22:29 |
Interesting to read about Consuelo Marlborough
"Consuelo Vanderbilt was married at St. Thomas Episcopal Church, New York City, New York, on 6 November 1895, to Charles Spencer-Churchill, 9th Duke of Marlborough (1871–1934).[15] They had two sons, John Albert William Spencer-Churchill, Marquess of Blandford (who became 10th Duke of Marlborough) and Lord Ivor Spencer-Churchill.[16]"
"Consuelo’s marriage was particularly unhappy. Blackmailed by her social-climbing mother into giving up the man she loved in favour of the duke, she was horrified when, on her honeymoon, the duke told her that he ‘never wanted to marry her either’. He was in love with someone else, but needed Consuelo’s fortune to keep Blenheim going. Consuelo did her duty and produced two sons, ‘an heir and a spare’, but the couple were never happy and began to live apart as soon as they decently could. They were eventually divorced in 1921. "
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PricklyHolly
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15 Oct 2013 22:35 |
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1891 England Census about Ethel Fuller Name: Ethel Fuller Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Chichester, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Walton Ecclesiastical parish: Walton Town: Walton County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Chertsey Sub-registration District: Walton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 550 Folio: 4 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age Thomas J C McCowan 55 Florence L McCowan 28 Emily McCowan 21 Annie Williams 25 Ellen Daly 20 Ethel Fuller 14 (Under (Dom) Housemaid)
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ArgyllGran
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15 Oct 2013 22:36 |
Poor Consuelo!
Re Ethel - There was time for her to have been promoted from laundrymaid to chambermaid between 1901 and 1904 when she became pregnant (one of those male servants at Blenheim, maybe?).
Or maybe she had to leave Blenheim, and got another position.
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ArgyllGran
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15 Oct 2013 22:40 |
???? West Wittering is in Westhampnett reg district,as in birth posted on page 1:
1881 England Census about Ethel Fuller Name: Ethel Fuller Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relationship to Head: Niece Gender: Female Where born: West Wittering, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Portsmouth County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address: 59 Broad St Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Portsea Island Sub-registration District: Portsmouth Town ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1150 Folio: 7 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Lamming 40 Grace Lamming 30 - born Gosport, Hants. Grace Lamming 9 Alice Lamming 7 Emily Lamming 5 Ada Lamming 2 George Lamming Ethel Fuller 4
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15 Oct 2013 22:43 |
Marriages Sep 1871 Lamming Samuel Portsea 2b 740
Richardson Grace Portsea 2b 740
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PricklyHolly
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15 Oct 2013 22:47 |
West Wittering is a small village and civil parish, on the Manhood Peninsula, in the Chichester district of West Sussex.
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ethel Louise Fuller Name: Ethel Louise Fuller Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1877 Registration District: Westhampnett Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 343
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ArgyllGran
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15 Oct 2013 22:48 |
Just maybe Ethel's parents??
Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) Fuller Harry Portsea 2b 740
Richardson Emily Ann Portsea 2b 740
EDIT: Well, maybe not, in view of this census record. I would have assumed they had died, leaving Ethel with her aunt, but apparently not. (Maybe Ethel wasn't Harry's):
1891 England Census about Emily J Fuller Name: Emily J Fuller Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Harry Fuller Gender: Female Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England Civil Parish: Walton Ecclesiastical parish: Walton Town: Walton County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
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Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Chertsey Sub-registration District: Walton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 550 Folio: 30 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Harry Fuller 48 Emily J Fuller 38 - I know the middle initial's different, but YOB, POB, and husband all fit. Kate A Fuller 12 Maud G Fuller 11 Mabel O Fuller 10 Wm Hy Fuller 8 Florrie C Fuller 5 Evelina N Fuller 1
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15 Oct 2013 22:54 |
???? (EDIT: Or maybe not - see above)
Deaths Jun 1887 (>99%) Fuller Emily Ann 48 Brighton 2b 122
and maybe Ethel's brother??? Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%) Fuller Harry 0 Rye 2b 3
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Catherine
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15 Oct 2013 23:00 |
She may have gone to stay with relatives when she gave birth to Doris. What was the address she gave on birth certicate?
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