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Thanks Anne, have Pm'd you back!!
I am swaying more to the idea that the Reads I am after are spelt READ. This is the spelling on Charlottes birth certificate too. Also is the spelling on the census for Peace Cottages.
Also, perhaps the reason why the two elder boys are not baptised until 1957 is because the parents are unmarried until 1856...
Thank you everyone again for all the help.
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1851
NOAKES, Robert H Head Married M 46 1805 Schoolmaster
Rochester, Kent
NOAKES, Ann Wife Married F 50 1801 Schoolmistress
Chatham, Kent
NOAKES, Maria Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Scholar At Home
Rochester, Kent
NOAKES, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 11 1840 Scholar At Home
Rochester, Kent
Piece: 1532
Folio: 207
Page: 40
Registration District: City of London
Civil Parish: All Hallows London Wall
Municipal Borough: London
Address: 27a, Wormwood Street, All Hallows London Wall, London
County: Middlesex
(just adding the witness, in case of anything!)
Chris :)
(glad the cert. arrived)
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okay, maybe a BIG recap would help here?
Charlotte Read
Brothers and sisters
George Walter Read
Name: George Walter Read
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Feb 1857
Birth date: 28th Aug 1848
Father's Name: George Read, Cab Driver
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: Little Guildford Street
William Edward Read
Name: William Edward Read
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Feb 1857
Birth date: 3rd July 1851
Father's Name: George Read, Cab Driver
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: Little Guildford Street
Emma Read
Name: Emma Read
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Feb 1857
Birth date: 14 Dec. 1856
Father's Name: George Read, Cab Driver
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bloomsbury St George
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address: Little Guildford Street.
Charles John Read -----possibly Charles/John?
Name: Charles John Read
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 Oct 1858
baptism/christening place: St Peter, St Pancras, London
birth date: 23 Sep 1858
father's name: George Read
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C04259-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 579644
Elizabeth Ann Read
Name: Elizabeth Ann Read
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 30 Jun 1860
baptism/christening place: Old Church, St Pancras, London
birth date: 16 Jun 1860
father's name: George Read
mother's name: Elizabeth Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C04793-7
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 598173, 598174, 598175
Jane Emily Read
Name: Jane Emily Read
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 09 Mar 1863
baptism/christening place: Old Church, St Pancras, London
birth date: 14 Feb 1863
father's name: George Read
mother's name: Elizabeth Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C04793-7
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 598173, 598174, 598175
Frederick Arthur Read
Name: Frederick Arthur Read
Gender: Male
Baptism/christening date: 04 Jul 1864
Baptism/christening place: Old Church, St Pancras, London
Birth date: 30 May 1864
Father’s name: George Read
Mother’s name: Elizabeth
Indexing project (batch) number: C04793-7
System origin: England-ODM
Source film number: 598173, 598174, 598175
Charlotte Read
Name: Charlotte Read (my GG Granny)
Gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 23 Sep 1867
baptism/christening place: Old Church, St Pancras, London
birth date: 09 Sep 1867
father's name: George Read
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: K04563-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 598176
Must have been born at 13 Hastings Street - George jnr wedding banns gives this address for 1869
Alfred Read
Name: Alfred Read
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 11 Oct 1871
baptism/christening place: Old Church, St Pancras, London
birth date: 16 Sep 1871
father's name: George Read
mother's name: Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C04259-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 579644
Must have been born at 15 Peace Cottages, as this is the census address for 1871
Conclusions thus far:
1. Surname is READ not REED
2. Family from 1851 census needs further verification as name is spelt REED
3. George Read snr marries ONCE to Elizabeth White - name for all childrens mother is Elizabeth, on GG Grannys birth cert. mother is given as Elizabeth Read nee White.
4. I am not convinced that the George REED who marries Elizabeth White on 28th March 1847 is MY ancestor. Firstly the spelling (i know they all spelt oddly in those days). Also George is listed as a DRAPER
5. Why does Emma - on her marriage - give her fathers occupation as TAILOR?
6. How does GG Grannys father change from deceased when she marries Edward Caplin to being a George Galloway REED on the marriage to Walter Hand?
7. Is there ANY evidence that this marriage to Walter Hand is ACTUALLY my GG Granny at all?
8. WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE!?!?!?!?!
thank you again everyone who has been so patiently tolerating my ramblings. I am incredibly grateful for all the very valuable assistance you have taken the time and trouble to give. Thank you all.
:-)
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1891
SLINGSBY, Fredrick W Head Married M 63 1828 Tailor
St George Hanover Square
SLINGSBY, Phoebe Wife Married F 61 1830
Upton, Norfolk
SLINGSBY, Fredrick J Son Single M 34 1857 Cab Man
St Pancras, London
SLINGSBY, George Son Single M 25 1866 Cab Man
St Pancras, London
SLINGSBY, Ather Son Single M 23 1868 Cab Man
St Pancras, London
SLINGSBY, Hannah Daughter Single F 21 1870 Fancy Box Maker
St Pancras, London
SLINGSBY, Lousia A Daughter Single F 17 1874 Relief Stamper
St Pancras, London
Piece: 129
Folio: 131
Page: 14
Registration District: Pancras
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Municipal Borough:
Address: 51, King Street, St Pancras
County: London
Question 5...above looks to be F W Slingsby, witness Charlotte/Edward Marriage, so maybe when Emma got married, George was doing a bit of 'Tailor' work. (just a thought, as above is in area through Census years)
Chris :)
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Regarding point 6.....
I believe what has happened here is as follows:
Charlotte is a pauper inmate at the St Pancras workhouse school in Leavesden, Watford. When she is of an age to leave she has no birth certificate so does not know her fathers name. When she marries Edward Caplin, she simply puts her father down as deceased.
I have to do some more researching into the marriage with Walter Hand. I wondered if there might be a record of bigamous marriages anywhere? I haven't a clue where to even start looking.
If Charlotte DOES marry Walter Hand, maybe she has discovered her fathers identity and believes it to be the George Galloway Reed who is a lodger at one of the Peace Cottages.
I still have to find who to contact regarding the records for the workhouse school so I can see when and why Charlotte and her younger brother are admitted. If they are sent there when their mother dies in 1876, Charlotte would be 9 and Alfred only 5.
From what my mum (now aged 91) tells me, her mother - who is Charlottes eldest daughter - never celebrated a birthday or acknowledged them later in life in her own family and she certainly had no contact with Charlotte from when she was sent away around age 12. There was no contact with anyone from her parents families at all, although she did continue to interact with her sisters as my mum used to go and child mind for them during the 1930's.
Seems like I am trying to nail jelly to the ceiling here :-( thanks for help though, will get there in the end.
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Can anyone help with George Read please?
I am trying to search backwards for the place of birth.
On the 1851 census, his place of birth says SUFFOLK
On the 1861 census, his place of birth says SUFFOLK HALLHAM
I believe his DOB to be c1812
On 1851 census he is married with one son living in 11 Great Bath Street, Clerkenwell
on the 1861 census he is living with his wife Elizabeth and children George, William, Emma, John & Elizabeth plus a lodger, George Galloway.
This man George Read is proving to be as elusive as Atlantis! I am stuck!
Many thanks
Caroline
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