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Herbert Roper 1862
I have hit a brick wall with Herbert Roper 1862 - Cretingham, Suffolk. This information has been found in the 1881 Census where he was living as a lodger.

Birth Year
Birthplace Cretingham, Suffolk, England
Age 19
Occupation Clock Maker
Marital Status U
Head of Household Amelia STANFORD
Relation Lodger


We cannot find any information re his parents and thus come to a full stop.

My wife Beverley is the Great Grand Daughter of Herbert and very keen to trace the Roper family back further.

Any assistance or information is very much appreciated.

Cheers
David

Herbert Roper
England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1862 Cretingham,? Suffolk,? England
census: 1881 Framlingham,? Suffolk,? England


name: Herbert Roper
age: 19
gender: Male
birth year: 1862
birthplace: Cretingham, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Lodger
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Clock Maker
address: Fore Street
census place: Framlingham, Suffolk, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341455
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 1885 / 17
page number: 27

Herbert Roper
England and Wales Census, 1911
birth: Cretingham,? Suffolk
census: 1911 Kensington,? No Kensington W,? London,? England


name: Herbert Roper
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 51
birthplace: Cretingham, Suffolk
record type: Household
registration district: Kensington
sub-district: Kensington North
parish: Kensington
county: London

Who did he marry and where please?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Herbert Roper
Name: Herbert Roper >>>>Fish monger
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 31
Spouse Name: Emily Brown
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Apr 1891
Parish: Notting Hill Christ Church
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Hezekiah Roper >>>>Grocer (dec'd)
Spouse Father Name: John Rown
Register Type: Parish Register

??? Buckenham could be a hint to his father's name

Births Sep 1859 (>99%)

Roper Herbert Buch_nham Plomesgate 4a 591
Roper Herbert Buckenham Plomesgate 4a 596


I have a gut feeling that his mother may be Agnes Roper. Could be completely wrong of course. I can't find her anywhere in 1861 nor is there any sign of Herbert. Her mother Emma is in Cretingham with a lodger called Hezekiah a shop-man. Can anyone else find her born 1841 Badingham? She married Frederick J Hunt a couple of years later and moved to London.

Just posting the 1851, cannot read original as ancestry showing errors:
1851 England Census
Anness Roper Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Emma Roper
Gender: F (Female) Where born: Badingham, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Badingham County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Hoxne Sub-registration district: Stradbroke
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b Household schedule number: 76 Piece: 1796 Folio: 468 Page Number: 22
Emma Roper 42
Osborne Roper 19
John Roper 13
Albert Roper 11
Anness Roper 10
Henry Roper 8
Selina Roper 2
Anne Hart 40
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1796; Folio: 468; Page: 22; GSU roll: 207445.

County Suffolk
Place Cretingham
Church St Peter
RegisterNumber 51
MarriageDate 25 May 1864
GroomForename Frederick James
GroomSurname HURT
GroomAge 23
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Soap Merchant
GroomAbode Lambeth SRY
BrideForename Agnes
BrideSurname ROPER
BrideAge 22
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation -
BrideAbode Cretingham
GroomFatherForename Jared Terrett
GroomFatherSurname HURT
GroomFatherOccupation Soap Merchant
BrideFatherForename Osborne
BrideFatherSurname ROPER
BrideFatherOccupation Farmer
WitnessOneForename Joseph
WitnessOneSurname BLOFIELD
WitnessTwoForename Mary Elizabeth
WitnessTwoSurname BURROWS
Notes Licence. SRO Fiche 8

(above from below link, if related)


http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)


1841
ROPER, Osborn M 30 1811 Suffolk (Farmer)
ROPER, Emma F 30 1811 Suffolk
ROPER, Osborn M 9 1832 Suffolk
ROPER, William M 4 1837 Suffolk
ROPER, John M 3 1838 Suffolk
ROPER, Albert M 1 1840 Suffolk
CRISP, Edward M 20 1821 Suffolk
FAIRWEATHER, Willm M 15 1826 Suffolk
BLOSS, Mary F 15 1826 Suffolk
Piece: 1025
Book/Folio: 27
Page: 17
Registration District: Hoxne
Civil Parish: Badingham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Badingham
County: Suffolk


Births Mar 1838 (>99%)
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ROPER John Barnes Hoxne 13 384


Day:27
Month:Oct
Year:1829
Groom Forename:Osborn
Groom Surname:Roper
Groom's parish:Redisham
Groom's condition:
Bride Forename:Emma
Bride Surname:Barnes
Bride's Parish:
Bride's condition:
Place:Redlingfield
County:Suffolk
Country:England
Record source:Suffolk Marriage Index (1813-37)


1861
ROPER, Emma Head Of Family Widow F 48 1813 Grocer & Draper
Bedingfield, Suffolk
ROPER, Selina Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
Badingham, Suffolk
Piece: 1172
Folio: 39
Page: 8
Registration District: Plomesgate
Civil Parish: Cretingham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Waterloo House, Cretingham, Cretingham
County: Suffolk

Dear All

Firstly Happy New Year to you all.

Many thanks for the interest and postings in the past days. This is very much appreciated.

I will take time to look through everything and revert back in due course before I return to Papua New Guinea next week.

Cheers
David

Hi Astra

Re the lodger Hezekiah. Can you please advise where this information was found.? I cannot find this on the 61 census for Emma and Chris Ho does not show it.

1861
ROPER, Emma Head Of Family Widow F 48 1813 Grocer & Draper
Bedingfield, Suffolk
ROPER, Selina Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
Badingham, Suffolk
Piece: 1172
Folio: 39
Page: 8
Registration District: Plomesgate
Civil Parish: Cretingham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Waterloo House, Cretingham, Cretingham
County: Suffolk

Thanks David

Sorry it's 1871 she is with Hezekiah Middleton

RG number: RG10
Piece: 1761
Folio: 36
Page: 3
Reg. District: Plomesgate
Sub District: Earlsoham
Parish: Cretingham
Enum. District: 3
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Cretingham Street, Cretingham
County: Suffolk

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ROPER, Emma Head F 57 1814 Suffolk
MIDDLETON, Hezekiah Shopman M 63 1808 Suffolk

In 1861 he gives his birth date as 1825 but he is 56 on the original image not 36. . He is in Framlingham with members of his family and is noted as Widower. Working as a grocers assistant he is maybe working for Emma.

Hi Astra

Yes all still up in the air.

Interesting re the Hezekiah Middleton which I have also now found with Emma Roper as you did.

Also interesting is that Dorcas Stamford is nee Middleton.

I believe somewhere there is a link between the Stanfords, Ropers and Middletons with Hezekiah and Herbert.

1 Herbert Roper lived with the Stanfords 71 and 81.
2 Hezekiah was a Middleton and worked for Emma Roper, 71 Shopman.
3 Dorcas Stanford nee Middleton could be related to Hezekiah who may have fathered Herbert out of wedlock with a Roper and the Stanfords act as foster parents.
4 Herbert Roper names Hezekiah Roper (Grocer/Shopman) as father on his wedding banns. Herbert given mothers name Roper not Middleton.

Sounds far fetched but in that day and age possible.

A jigsaw puzzle with a few missing pieces. A bit like Upstairs/Downstairs.

However I could be way off the mark. The Ropers are full of intrigue as I have told my wife.

David

DOES THE PLOT THICKEN. 2 Hezekiah Middleton's

One born in 1824 and another in 1806

Hezekiah Middleton 1824 is the twin brother of Dorcas Stanford nee Middleton

parents: Nathan Middleton,? Matilda
name: Dorcas Middleton
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 12 Jan 1824
baptism/christening place: FRAMLINGHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
father's name: Nathan Middleton
mother's name: Matilda
indexing project (batch) number: C13169-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 952981

parents: Nathan Middleton,? Matilda
name: Hezekiah Middleton
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Jan 1824
baptism/christening place: FRAMLINGHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
father's name: Nathan Middleton
mother's name: Matilda
indexing project (batch) number: C13169-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 952981

Hezekiah was visiting in Framlingham in 1861

name: Hezekiah Middleton
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 36
relationship to head of household: Visitor
birthplace: Framlingham
record type: Household
registration district: Plomesgate
sub-district: 2 Framlingham
ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
civil parish: Framlingham
county: Suffolk

Further investigation needed.

David

Baptism (Find My Past website)
Day:20
Month:Sep
Year:1805
Forename:Hezekiah
Surname:MIDDLETON
Relationship:son of
Parents:Nathan & Matilda
Place:Framlingham
Description:
County:Suffolk
Country:England
Record source:Suffolk Baptism Index
Data provider:Suffolk Family History Society

Chris :)

Day:23
Month:Jan
Year:1803
Groom forenames:Nathan
Groom surname:Middleton
Groom parish:
Groom condition:Matilda
Bride forenames:Underwood
Bride surname:wd
Bride parish:Framlingham
Bride condition:Suffolk
Place:
County:23
Notes:Jan
Record source:Suffolk Marriage Index

Burials
First name(s): Natham
Last name: MIDDLETON
Date of burial 13 Feb 1851
Age at death: 77
Calculated year of birth: 1774
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk
Framlingham St Michael:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1560 - 1900

First name(s): Hezekiah
Last name: MIDDLETON
Date of burial 5 Jun 1882
Age at death: 77
Calculated year of birth: 1805
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk

First name(s): Dorcas
Last name: STANFORD
Date of burial 17 Feb 1880
Age at death: 63
Calculated year of birth: 1817
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk


Day:14
Month:Dec
Year:1824
Groom forenames:Hezekiah
Groom surname:MIDDLETON
Groom parish:Bildeston
Groom condition:s/m
Bride forenames:Myra
Bride surname:BLUMFIELD
Bride parish:otp
Bride condition:s/w
Place:Framlingham
County:Suffolk

Burial
First name(s): Myra
Last name: MIDDLETON
Date of burial 27 Feb 1852
Age at death: 51
Calculated year of birth: 1801
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk

Thanks Chris.

Family Search

Middletons in 1824 had a mass Baptism for approx 5 children.

Still believe there is this strong link between Ropers and Middletons/Stanfords but Hezekiah and Herbert have got lost in the process.

Cheers
David

Dear All

Still no more clues although I still believe that Hezekiah Middleton has a link between the Stanfords and the Ropers. All very much supposition. However with births out of wedlock common but not registered the link may well have some truth in it.

Cheers
David

Stil no more progress today. Hitting a brick wall. :-) David

Hi again.

The only thing I can find is that Dorcas Middleton married William Stanford in 1841. She is sister to one of the Hezekiah's.

William was a blacksmith.

Hi Mark.

Thanks again. Yes I believe Dorcas and Hezekiah were related also.

Cheers
David

Herbert Roper 1862

I have hit a brick wall with Herbert Roper 1862 - Cretingham, Suffolk. This information has been found in the 1881 and 1871 Census where he was living as a lodger.

Birth Year
Birthplace Cretingham, Suffolk, England
Age 19
Occupation Clock Maker
Marital Status U
Head of Household Amelia STANFORD
Relation Lodger


We cannot find any information re his parents and thus come to a full stop despite much assistance from many members. However we do feel that his father may be Hezekiah Middleton brother of Dorcas Stamford and an illegitimate son of a Roper in Cretingham.

My wife Beverley is the Great Grand Daughter of Herbert and very keen to trace the Roper family back further.

Any assistance or information is very much appreciated.

Many thanks to all who have assisted so far over the past 6 months.

Cheers
David