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Mary
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31 Dec 2012 01:55 |
I'm searching for Marriage info on Margaret Christy b.1864 to unknown Barnard prior to 1882 . Location would probably be Co. Tyrone, Coalisland Parish or Dungannon. or any info on her parents Thomas Christy, Margaret Hammil Christy. Same locale. Any new infor is gratefully received!
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Catherine
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31 Dec 2012 09:11 |
You probably already have this, but here it is anyway:-
name: Margaret Cristy gender: Female baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 17 Nov 1864 birthplace: 0528,COALISLAND,TYRONE,IRELAND
father's name: Thos. Cristy mother's name: Margaret Hamil indexing project (batch) number: C70123-7 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 101095 reference number: Citing this Record
"Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRQT-2R2 : accessed 31 Dec 2012), Margaret Cristy, 17 Nov 1864; citing reference , FHL microfilm 101095.
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Catherine
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31 Dec 2012 09:18 |
Siblings:-
name: Patrick Christy gender: Male birth date: 06 Mar 1867 birthplace: 0602,COALISLAND,TYRONE,IRELAND father's name: Thomas Christy mother's name: Margaret Hamill indexing project (batch) number: C70131-1 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 101140
name: Thomas Christy gender: Male birth date: 11 Jun 1869 birthplace: Tyrone, Ireland father's name: Thomas Christy mother's name: Margaret Hamil indexing project (batch) number: C01204-6 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 101185
name: Owen Christy gender: Male birth date: 25 May 1871 birthplace: Tyrone, Ireland father's name: Thomas Christy mother's name: Margaret Hammill indexing project (batch) number: C01405-9 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 255818
name: Bernard Christy gender: Male birth date: 02 Jun 1873 birthplace: Tyrone, Ireland father's name: Thomas Christy mother's name: Margaret Hamil indexing project (batch) number: C70152-9 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 255875
name: Theresa Christy gender: Female birth date: 06 Jun 1875 birthplace: Tyrone, Ireland father's name: Thomas Christy mother's name: Margaret Hamill indexing project (batch) number: C70158-9 system origin: Ireland-EASy source film number: 255928
............earliest I can see is the birth of Margaret in 1864 so the couple probably married just before that date.
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Catherine
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31 Dec 2012 09:26 |
Come County Tyrone, County Antrim is also Northern Ireland, so the following could be a possible:-
Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
name: Margaret Hamill gender: Female birth date: 24 Mar 1845 birthplace: BALLYMONEY PARISH,ANTRIM,IRELAND father's name: Joseph Hamill mother's name: Hester indexing project (batch) number: C70000-1 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 0908674 IT 2
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Catherine
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31 Dec 2012 09:52 |
You could try this site:-
http://tyrone.rootsireland.ie/search.php
You have to buy credits to view but you do get 10 free credits when you sign up to start you off.
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Mary
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1 Jan 2013 01:35 |
Catherine, Thanks for all the infor. I have all but the birth info for Margaret Hamill, that is new info What I'm looking for is information on my g-aunt's first marriage which I believe took place before she left Ireland. Her NYC marriage cert to husband #2 says she was a widow and her name is listed as Margaret Barnard not Margaret Christy. Her parents on that cert are Margaret Hamill and Thos Christy. So it is search of husband #1 for Margaret Christy, birth date: 17 Nov 1864 and if I can believe the marriage cert, his surname was Barnard.
It's been awhile since I've searched the Irish records. I stopped because I kept paying for wrong records because I didn't have enough info to pick the more likely choices.
Co. antrim is a possiblity. Thank you so much for your work on this.
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Eringobragh1916
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1 Jan 2013 09:28 |
Mary...A quick browse through some records show Margaret Christy Barnard's daughter Margaret Barnard aged 17 travelled out to the US arriving 29 Dec,1908..she apparently travelled with her aunt...(havent found out who that was yet) and was going to her mother in NY..next of kin in Ireland was uncle John Christie..Tanamore Moy (small village in Killyman Civil Parish Dungannon Co Tyrone). Margaret Barnard was stated as being born in the Co Tyrone... This info may help work out an approx. date of marriage for Margaret Christy....
This would appear to be Margaret with her g.mother 1901
Residents of a house 32 in Tamlaghtmore (Drumaspil, Tyrone)
Christy Margaret 60 Female Head of Family R Catholic Co Tyrone Farmer Cannot read - Widow - Christy Thomas 30 Male Son R Catholic Co Tyrone Farmers Son Read and write - Not Married - Barnett Margaret 10 Female Grand Daughter R Catholic **b Co Tyrone
Next door is Anne Christy aged 80..single. so would imagine she was a sister to Thomas Christy (RIP)
1911...I think this may be the NOK (Ire) Margaret lists on Ships Manifest 1908
Residents of a house 24 in Tamlaghtmore (Drumaspil, Tyrone)
Christy John 50 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Tyrone Farmer Read and write - Single - - - - McAlavey Teresa 35 Female Sister Roman Catholic Co Tyrone House Keeper Read and write - Married - 11 6 5 McAlavey Margaret 8 Female Niece Roman Catholic Scotland McAlavey James 6 Male Nephew Roman Catholic Scotland McAlavey Thomas 5 Male Nephew Roman Catholic Scotland McAlavey Teresa 3 Female Niece Roman Catholic Scotland - - McAlavey Patrick Joseph 1 Male Nephew Roman Catholic Co Tyrone - - - - - - - - Christy John 60 Male Cousin Roman Catholic Co Tyrone Farm Servant Read and write - Single - - - - ONeill Patrick 70 Male Servant Roman Catholic
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1 Jan 2013 10:49 |
Mary...Have you seen this....
Title : Date of Death : 19 April 1908 Surname : Christy Date of Grant : 24 June 1909 Forename : Margaret Reseal Date : Registry : Armagh Effects : Effects £48 5s. 0d. No Image Full Abstract : Administration of the Estate of Margaret Christy late of Tamnamore County Tyrone Farmer who died 19 April 1908 granted at Armagh to John Christy
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2013 13:42 |
This looks to be the Margaret Barnard who emigrated in 1908:-
Margaret Barnard in household of Edwin Sheather, "United States Census, 1910"
name: Margaret Barnard birthplace: Ireland relationship to head of household: residence: North Hempstead, Nassau, New York marital status: Single race : White gender: Female immigration year: 1908 father's birthplace: Ireland mother's birthplace: Ireland family number: 395 page number: 19 Household Gender Age Birthplace self Edwin Sheather M 53y New York wife Agnes Sheather F 45y New York son Samuel Sheather M 23y New York dau Edna Sheather F 19y Connecticut son John Sheather M 18y Connecticut dau Beatrice Sheather F 15y New York Eliza Reynolds F 29y Ireland xxxxx Margaret Barnard F 19y Ireland xxxxx Stanley Seimarko M 32y Russia Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1910," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M53C-B9B : accessed 01 Jan 2013), Margaret Barnard in household of Edwin Sheather, North Hempstead, Nassau, New York; citing sheet 19A, family 395, NARA microfilm publication T624, FHL microfilm 1375008.
...............................What we need is her birth record to find out her father's name.
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2013 13:44 |
Here it is:-
Margaret Bernard, "Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958"
name: Margaret Bernard registration district: Dungannon event type: BIRTHS registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1891 estimated birth year: age (at death): mother's maiden name: film number: 101063 volume number: 1 page number: 522 digital folder number: 4193977 image number: 00504 Citing this Record
"Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBDB-M6J : accessed 01 Jan 2013), Margaret Bernard, Jul - Sep 1891; citing vol. 1, p. 522, General Registry, Custom House, Dublin, Ireland; FHL microfilm 101063.
Maybe a baptism record will give you father's name so you don't have to buy the birth certificate, just in case it isn't the daughter of Margaret Christy.
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2013 14:35 |
I wonder if this is Margaret arrival in America:-
First Name: Mrs. Last Name: Barnard Ethnicity: US Citizen Last Place of Residence: Liverpool Date of Arrival: Jun 15, 1892 Age at Arrival: 27y Gender: F Marital Status: Ship of Travel: Majestic (1890) Port of Departure: Liverpool & Queenstown Manifest Line Number: 0069
..................arrival 1892 aged 27yrs, would make date of birth abt. 1865. Also, birth of Margaret (daughter) is noted as 1891 so that would also fit.
Looking at the original copy of the passenger list, she is travelling with her W.H.Barnard (Gent) aged 30yrs. and she is noted as his wife.
First Name: W. H. Last Name: Barnard Ethnicity: US Citizen Last Place of Residence: Liverpool Date of Arrival: Jun 15, 1892 Age at Arrival: 30y Gender: M Marital Status: Ship of Travel: Majestic (1890) Port of Departure: Liverpool & Queenstown Manifest Line Number: 0068
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Catherine
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1 Jan 2013 14:53 |
You say her second marriage took place in N.Y. but what date would that be? If she was widowed, then there should be death record for her husband.
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MarieCeleste
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1 Jan 2013 15:04 |
The W H Barnard and his wife arriving in New York in 1892 were USA citizens.
If Margaret b1864 had married an American would she be deemed a US citizen?
Young Margaret arriving in 1908 states her mother is Margt Barnshaw of 501 West 41 Street, New York.
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Maura
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1 Jan 2013 16:28 |
Margaret Barnett born Dungannon 1891, parents Alfred Barnett & Margaret Christy
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Maura
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1 Jan 2013 16:54 |
Graveyard Name: Killyman RC Parish: Killyman Town/Townland: Cavan County: Tyrone Surname: CHRISTY Inscription: Erected by John Christy, Tamnamore in memory of his father Thomas Christy, died 16th July 1897. His mother Margaret died 8th April 1908. His brother Owen died 19th Feb. 1886. His brother James died in USA 8th Nov. 1890. His sister May died in USA 22nd Jan. 1896 his brother Patrick died in USA 11th May 1906. His brother Thomas died 3rd April 1936. Also the above John Christy died 30th April 1943 aged 85 years.
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1 Jan 2013 19:08 |
Mary...Dont think the Barnard's posted by Catherine (13.42) was your family..but there was coincidentally a Maggie Barnard 27yrs (Co.Tyrone) sailed out from Glasgow on the Anchoria arriving NY 2 Dec 1892....states she was US Citizen...no other details re NOK/marital status but occup.given as Housewife....
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MarieCeleste
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1 Jan 2013 19:17 |
pm from Mary
"don't know about WH barnard You have to apply for naturalization to become a citizen.
Margaret Christy Barnard Barnshaw b 1864 was my g-aunt young Margaret travelling with her may be her dtr Mabel (poss Mabel was a family name for her and not her birth name) 1908 was the year Aunt Margaret's mother died in Tyrone the NYC address is theirs for sure.
Thank you so much for these details! "
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MarieCeleste
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1 Jan 2013 19:27 |
Mary - can you tell us the first name of Maggie's second husband? Will help us work back.
What record do you have of Margaret and Mabel travelling together? The only one I've managed to find so far is the one of young Margaret travelling on her own to see her mother who was already there.
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MarieCeleste
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1 Jan 2013 19:40 |
Don't know if these are the right people but posting anyhow:
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Margaret Barnshaw Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1866 Birthplace: Ireland Race: White Home in 1930: Bronx, Bronx, New York Marital Status: Widowed Immigration Year: 1900 << Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: Ireland Mother's Birthplace: Ireland Occupation: Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: $60 per month Age at first marriage: 30 ?? Parents' birthplace: Ireland
Household Members: Name Age Margaret Barnshaw 64 Mable C Barnshaw 28 - clerk, born NY Thomas Barnshaw 11 - born NY
Street address 3358 Wilson Avenue
There's something not right - she would have been 53 when Thomas was born but he's listed as son.
ADDED: I've traced this lady on all census from 1900 to 1940 and on all of them except this her immigration year is 1881/1882.
Her husband was a James Barnshaw, born England.
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1 Jan 2013 19:54 |
I think it is her, the baptism posted above is November 1864 and that is the year and month given on the original image:
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Margaret Barnshaw Age: 35 Birth Date: Nov 1864 Birthplace: Ireland Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York Race: White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1881 Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: James Barnshaw Marriage Year: 1896 Years Married: 4 Father's Birthplace: Ireland Mother's Birthplace: Ireland Mother: number of living children: 2 Mother: How many children: 2 Occupation:
Household Members: Name Age James Barnshaw 34 Margaret Barnshaw 35 Ellen Barnshaw 7 Thomas Barnshaw 6 James Barnshaw 2 Mable Barnshaw 1
The two older children must be James from his first marriage.
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