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MC...This is the marriage.....

groom's name: James Barnshan
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Margaret Christee Barnard
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 12 Nov 1896
marriage place: Manhattan, New York, New York
groom's father's name: Thomas
groom's mother's name: Alice Sarlington
bride's father's name: Thomas
bride's mother's name: Margaret Harnnell


its getting confusing to say least as 1900 census gives her year of immigration abt 1881...then subsequent ones give 1900...(Barnshaw...surname

So this was James' first marriage:

Surname Given Name Month Day Year County Certificate Soundex
Barnshaw James Mar 2 1892 Kings 893 B652
Burgedohl Emma Mar 2 1892 Kings 893 B623

http://www.italiangen.org

Margaret Barnshaw in household of James Barnshaw, "New York, State Census, 1905"

name: Margaret Barnshaw
residence: Manhattan, New York, New York
age: 40
estimated birth year: 1865
birthplace: Ireland
relationship to head of household: Wife
race: W
gender:
family number: 501
page number: 29
line number: 29
film number: 1433089
digital folder number: 4518310
image number: 00014
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head James Barnshaw M 39y England
wife Margaret Barnshaw F 40y Ireland
daughter Helen Barnshaw F 12y United States
son Thomas Barnshaw M 10y United States
son James Barnshaw M 7y United States
daughter Mabel Barnshaw F 6y United States
head John Donohue M 35y United States
wife Jennie Donohue F 34y United States
son Mortimer Donohue M 8y United States
niece Elizabeth Grady F 8y United States
head James Ganley M 28y United States
wife Annie Ganley F 25y United States
son James Ganley M 0y United States
head Oxcel Peterson M 51y Sweden
wife Anna Peterson F 53y Sweden
son Oxcel Peterson M 24y Sweden
daughter Hilda E Peterson F 20y United States
head Edward Matthews M 34y United States
mother Bridget Matthews F 68y Ireland
sister Mary Strang F 36y United States
Citing this Record

"New York, State Census, 1905," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SPXV-D75 : accessed 01 Jan 2013), Margaret Barnshaw in household of James Barnshaw, Manhattan, A.D. 13, E.D. 14, New York, New York.

Margret Barnshaw, "United States Census, 1940"

name: Margret Barnshaw
titles & terms:
event: Census
event year: 1940
event place: Assembly District 6, Bronx, New York City, Bronx, New York, United States
gender: Female
age: 75
marital status: Widowed
race (original):
race (standardized): White
relationship to head of household (original):
relationship to head of household (standardized): Head
birthplace: Ireland
estimated birth year: 1865
residence in 1935: Same House
enumeration district number: 3-738
family number: 190
sheet number and letter: 12A
line number: 21
nara publication number: T627
nara roll number: 2479
digital folder number: 005458146
image number: 00998
Household Gender Age Birthplace
brother Edwin Gugger M 45 New York
head Margret Barnshaw F 75 Ireland
son James Barnshaw M 42 New York
daughter Mable Barnshaw F 40 New York
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"United States Census, 1940," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KQBR-GS1 : accessed 01 Jan 2013), Margret Barnshaw, Assembly District 6, Bronx, New York City, Bronx, New York, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 3-738, sheet 12A, family 190, NARA digital publication T627, roll 2479.

This looks to be the birth of the daughter Ellen/Helen:-

name: Alise Helena Barnshaw
gender: Female
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 04 Apr 1893
birthplace: Brooklyn, Kings, New York

father's name: James Barnshaw
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Emma Burgedalk Barnshaw
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C01415-1
system origin: New_York-ODM
source film number: 1324413
reference number:
Citing this Record

"New York, Births and Christenings, 1640-1962," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FDP7-8GZ : accessed 01 Jan 2013), Alise Helena Barnshaw, 04 Apr 1893; citing reference , FHL microfilm 1324413.

and Thomas:-
name: Thomas Walter Barnshaw
gender: Male
birth date: 30 Sep 1894
birthplace: Brooklyn, Kings Co , NY
father's name: James Barnshaw
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Emma Baergedah Barnshaw
indexing project (batch) number: C00838-1
system origin: New_York-ODM
source film number: 1324420
reference number:
Citing this Record

"New York, Births and Christenings, 1640-1962," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FDYK-S8Z : accessed 01 Jan 2013), Thomas Walter Barnshaw, 30 Sep 1894; citing reference , FHL microfilm 1324420.

It was a second marriage for both James Barnshaw and Margaret Christy Barnard.
What you don't see online and what was noted on the marriage cert was that Margaret was married previously. This was not her first marriage.
She came to the USA in 1881 but I haven't found the passenger list for her yet.
it is possible that she married for the first time in the USA and not Ireland. So perhaps the marriage occurred here sometime between 1881 and 1896 the date of her second marriage.
As for the second immigration year of 1900 for Margaret, it may have been a census error by whoever was answering the questions that day.

If Margaret went to the US 1881/2 she was only around 17/18 so likely her first marriage was in the US.

Mary you seem to have other snippets of info that you drop in - do you happen to know if Margaret had any other children by her first marriage?

Regarding the Margaret/Mabel thing you mentioned earlier and one being a pet name - I think they're two entirely different people going by the US census records and the info posted by Catherine and Maura.

Just in case you don't have it:

Mabel C Barnshaw, "BillionGraves Index"

name: Mabel C Barnshaw
event: Burial
event date: 1965
event place: Woodside, Queens, New York, United States
cemetery: New Calvary Cemetery
birth date: 1899
marriage date:
death date: 1965
maiden name:
cemetery latitude: 40.735228
cemetery longitude: -73.913492
billion graves image id: 1673840
billion graves created timestamp: 2012-07-09 02:24:32

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K3TX-XKF

Mary..Have been looking through the thread and there appears to be some confusion as to Mabel/Margaret.

1900 NY Census shows Mabel aged 1 yr. with Mother Margaret Christy Barnard Barnshaw..father James Barnshaw.

Margaret Barnard aged 9 yrs was still in Co Tyrone with her Mothers family.

Margaret Barnard travelled out to US 1908 from Derry...manifest states she travelled with her Aunt and was going to her mother in NY.
The detail on the manifest shows a notataion next to Margarets name and the No's 51-3 I take that to indicate where on the Manifest is listed her Aunt's details...

I have looked through virtually all the Manifest and cannot come up with anything that may match..I am obviously missing something..!!
There were only 50 passengers boarded at Derry....
abt.392 boarded at Glasgow

Its possible that her Aunt boarded in Glasgow and Margaret joined her a from Derry.
I will keep looking through....!!

As I mentioned earlier if you know that Margaret Barnard married at some stage then her MC will confirm her fathers name...Maura has listed that earlier which corresponds with yr of birth etc.

Although it appears Margaret Christy went to the US as early as 1881ish ..It was rare to say the least (but possible) that folk were able return home and we know Margaret Barnard was born in Co Tyrone.....

Have you checked incoming passenger lists for Margaret ??

I'm finding the same as you Eringobragh .....

I've searched and searched the passenger lists for that elusive auntie and can find nowt!

MC...Have checked backwards frontwards sidewards..!! Upwards and downwards comes next..!!!
It would be easier if you could elimate males/ female/ children equally the page eg.51 line 3 doesnt always tally with whats actually on the blasted page...it could be page 3 line 51..or anything come to that..!!

MC AND EGB: I do have snippets here and there. I am rebuilding my tree after my computer crashed about a year ago and I realized that my backup drive did not have what I thought I had. I have all the USA census info that I need to coordinate. I don't have any grave index for this Christy branch save remembrance cards from here in NY:
Theresa Christy McAleavey d July 28, 1953
Margaret Christy Barnshaw d. Nov 14,1952

nothing for Mabel C. Barnshaw (thank you for that info)

and a mystery one for Mary C. Schlesselman d.Oct 22, 1969 that has a note on the card that indicates that she is my father's cousin (C=Christy). Again, this is someone I can't document at all save for a few photos of children that are noted as "Schlesselman"

ALSO NOTE: that Margaret Barnshaw's NYC home was a port for many, many incoming relations. In order to enter the US they needed a sponsor and some money in their pocket.

1920 United States Federal Census
about Patrick Christy Name: Patrick Christy
Age: 51
Birth Year: abt 1869
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1920: Chester Ward 8, Delaware, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1887
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Katherine A Christy
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Christy 51
Katherine A Christy 54
Margaret H Christy 22
Mary K Schlesselman 25 [daughter]
John Schlesselman 24
John A Schlesselman 0

Thanks, Maura. good work!

Mary....Going back to the Graves (Killyman) the death of Patrick Christy son of Thomas and Margaret is 1906..!!
Where does the above Patrick come from...??

Need this checking out..wonder if this is Patrick (RIP)..travelling with James Joseph aged 15... I know he was living with Annie Christy (1901)..down as her nephew....
Wonder who's son he was as Patrick was unmarried.
They both travelled on the Cymric out of Liverpool Dec 1901 but I cannot get them at all they are mixed up with over 200 Norwegians and Danes...!!!
The Cymric also picked up at Cobh but only 11 Passengers and they unfortunately weren't being very helpful and boarded L'Pool..!!
Their place of residence was Coalisland.

It could been transcribed wrong, these are some of the children I found for Thomas Christy & Margaret Hamil

John Cristie 1858
James Cristey 1862
Margaret Christy 1864
Patrick Christy 1867
Thomas Christy1869
Owen Christy 1871
Eugene Crysty 1871
Bernard Christie 1873
Theresa Christy 1875

According to the grave inscription there also a May

I feel a headache coming on...!!

cousins, cousins, cousins. by blood or otherwise. if they lived next door or down the street they were cousins. we have the same headache with McAleaveys.... we know we're all related but some are still searching for the common ancestor. ;-)

LOL, it' ll be a migrane you'll have by the time this is sorted out. Is your McAlveavey's from Co. Armagh by any chance?

yes, Maura, we are from Armagh. Our branch moved to Lanark, Scotland sometime post famine. We've located a marriage cert from what is now St. Malachy's in Armagh for my ggg grandparents from the 1850s or thereabouts.