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28 Oct 2012 13:04 |
1901 but you would need to check the image on scotlandpeople
Name: Maggie Natson Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relationship: Gd Daur (Granddaughter) Gender: Female Where born: Edinr, Edinr Registration number: 691 Registration district: Lasswade Civil parish: Lasswade County: Midlothian Address: Carnethie St Occupation: Servant (domestic) ED: 10 Household schedule number: 72 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1901_396 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Watson 71 Helen Porteous 32 Maggie Natson 13 Elizabeth Porteous 8 Richard Bulloch 43 William Mcleod 24 Probably not as I think she is on 1891 as Porteous
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Billy
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28 Oct 2012 13:15 |
Thanks for this. Out of interest. Where do you get this census info?
Does it say full address in Carnethie street? I know some of the family were domestic servants in a big house (Ramsay Hall) on Carnethie Street
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28 Oct 2012 13:16 |
I wonder, GB, if the Maggie in the 1901 is the right one.
Helen Porteous is the Helen in the 1871 I posted. I discounted this because of Elizabeth's age. Elizabeth is shown as Head and Maggie as granddaughter:
1891 Scotland Census about Helen Porteous Name: Helen Porteous [Helen Watson] Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Spouse's name : William Porteous Mother's name: Elizabeth Watson Gender: Female Where born: Lasswade, Midlothian Registration number: 691 Registration district: Lasswade Civil parish: Lasswade County: Midlothian Address: Carnethie St ED: 11 Household schedule number: 157 Line: 11 Roll: CSSCT1891_361 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Watson 41 William Porteous 23 Helen Porteous 21 Maggie Porteous 3 Douglas Ralston 17
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28 Oct 2012 13:21 |
Elizabeth's occupation in 1891 - Hall keeper; 1901 - Keeper of small Lab. Helen in 1901 is Hall keeper.
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28 Oct 2012 13:41 |
Billy, You may be correct about the parents of Margaret Ross. A couple named Robert Ross and Jane Crawford married in Newbattle in 1858.
I am trying to find them on census returns but cannot identify them. What occupation was given for Robert Ross, father of Margaret?
Edit: name: Margaret Ross gender: Female baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 28 Aug 1864 birthplace: COCKPEN,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND death date: name note: race: father's name: Robert Ross father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Jane Crawford mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C11676-1 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516
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Billy
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28 Oct 2012 13:55 |
Hi Anne
Sounds like it could be the same people as Margarets marriage cert places her born 1864 (i've not got her birth cert yet).
Robert Ross was a coal miner.
Is there a way to bulk buy the census? I have only been search scotlands people as and when I need specific info
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28 Oct 2012 14:04 |
Billy, Most of us here have subs that have access to transcribed census returns, but first can I confirm this... When Margaret Ross married Samuel Watson in 1890, were her parents deceased?
I think her mother Jane Ross Ms Crawford died in Midlothian in 1867 age 29.
Also, there are 3 other births on Family search ( none are after 1866 which may suggest that she did die in 1867)
name: James Ross gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 13 Nov 1860 birthplace: TEMPLE,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND death date: name note: race: father's name: Robert Ross father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Jane Crawford mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C11700-1 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516
Elisabeth Ross gender: Female baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 17 Jun 1862 birthplace: TEMPLE,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND death date: name note: race: father's name: Robert Ross father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Jane Crawford mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C11700-1 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516No image available Search collection About this collection
name: Elizabeth Ross gender: Female baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 10 Nov 1866 birthplace: CRAIL,FIFE,SCOTLAND ???? death date: name note: race: father's name: Robert Ross father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Jane Crawford mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C11417-1 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 6035516 reference number:
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28 Oct 2012 14:11 |
Hi Anne
I have just double checked the marriage certificate - Margaret Ross' parents do not show as deceased when she married Samuel Watson in 1890.
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28 Oct 2012 14:27 |
I can't find the family of Robert Ross and Jane Crawford anywhere!
The 29 yr old Jane Ross with other name Crawford... her death was registered in West Calder, so perhaps it wasn't her after all.
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28 Oct 2012 14:58 |
Billy, 1861 Scotland Census about Robert Ross Name: Robert Ross Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Jane Ross Gender: Male Where born: Temple, edin shire Registration number: 700 Registration district: Temple Civil parish: Temple County: Midlothian Address: Gorebridge Occupation: Miner ED: 5 Household schedule number: 24 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1861_133 Household Members: Name Age Robert Ross 24 Jane Ross 22 James Ross 4 Mo ***
I am now 99% certain that Jane Ross ms Crawford died in 1867.
Her widower Robert Ross remarried Elzabeth Hunter in 1868. This is the family from 1871 onwards. Older kids James and Margaret fit perfectly and could not possibly stem from an 1868 marriage.
1871 Scotland Census about Robert Roes Name: Robert Roes Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elizabeth Roes Gender: Male Where born: West Leith, Edinburghshire Registration number: 698B Registration district: Stobhill Civil parish: Stobhill County: Midlothian Address: Hunterfield Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 2 Household schedule number: 50 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1871_170 Household Members: Name Age Robert Roes 34 Elizabeth Roes 27 James Roes 10 place of birth Temple ** Margaret Roes 7 Place of birth, Cockpen** Christina Ross 2 Robert Ross 1
1881 Scotland Census about Robert Ross Name: Robert Ross Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elizabeth Ross Gender: Male Where born: West Linton, Peebleshire Registration number: 691 Registration district: Lasswade Civil parish: Lasswade County: Midlothian Address: 29 Duke Street Occupation: Coal Miner ED: 10 Household schedule number: 191 Line: 24 Roll: cssct1881_296 Household Members: Name Age Robert Ross 44 Elizabeth Ross 37 James Ross 20 Christina Ross 12 Robert Ross 11 Harriet Ross 8 Elizabeth Ross 6 George Ross 5 Jane Ross 2 Isabella Ross 3 M
As daughter Margaret is not listed on 1881 census, is this her? 1881 Scotland Census about Margaret Ross Name: Margaret Ross Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relationship: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Temple, Mid Lothian Registration number: 697 Registration district: Penicuik Civil parish: Penicuik Town: Penicuik County: Midlothian Address: The Square Occupation: General Servant ED: 7 Household schedule number: 107 Line: 16 Roll: cssct1881_301 Household Members: Name Age Jane Easton 50 Isabella MacKenzie 26 John Easton 20 Jane MacKenzie 1 Margaret Ross 17
1891 Scotland Census about Robert Ross Name: Robert Ross Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Elizabeth Ross Gender: Male Where born: Westlinton, Peebles Registration number: 691 Registration district: Lasswade Civil parish: Lasswade County: Midlothian Address: 53 Duke St Occupation: Stone Miner ED: 11 Household schedule number: 204 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1891_361 Household Members: Name Age Robert Ross 55 Elizabeth Ross 47 James Ross 30 Christina Ross 22 Harriet Ross 18 Elizabeth Ross 16 George Ross 15 Jane Ross 12 Isabella Ross 10 Joan Ross 8 David Ross 5 (Note: No grandaughter called Margaret Ross or Watson bc 1887 is in this household)
Robert Ross is no longer on census returns after 1891 but some of his children can be found together in 1901
Scotland Census about David Ross Name: David Ross Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Relationship: Brother-in-law Gender: Male Where born: roswell, Midlothian Registration number: 735 Registration district: Duns Civil parish: Duns County: Berwickshire Address: 3 Gourlay's Wynd Occupation: Apprentice Baker ED: 1 Household schedule number: 216 Line: 16 Roll: CSSCT1901_413 Household Members: Name Age George Blackie 32 Harriet Blackie 28 ** Lizzie H Blackie 8 George Blackie 6 Robert R Blackie 4 Charles E S Blackie 3 Lizzie Ross Blackie 26 ** David Ross 15 ** John B M Blackie 1
Edit: I think this will be Robert Ross in 1841 and 1851 as most names of his parents and siblings match those of his children.
1841 Scotland Census about Robert Ross Name: Robert Ross Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Peeblesshire, Scotland Civil parish: Linton County: Peeblesshire Address: Harlaw Main Coal Work Parish Number: 773 Household Members: Name Age James Ross 31 Margret Ross 32 David Ross 6 Robert Ross 4 Harriet Ross 8 Jean Ross 2
1851 Scotland Census about Robert Ross Name: Robert Ross Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relationship: Son Mother's name: Margaret Ross Gender: Male Where born: Linton, Peebles Parish Number: 700 Civil parish: Temple Town: Stabhill County: Midlothian Address: 7 Occupation: Coalminer ED: 8 Page: 7 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 25 Line: 19 Roll: CSSCT1851_190 Household Members: Name Age Margaret Ross 40 Harriot Ross 18 David Ross 16 Robert Ross 14 *** Jean Ross 12 James Ross 9 Margaret Ross 7
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