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You are doing very well on the other side Janice !

We will go our seperate ways for the moment but will meet back together very soon !! ;-)

I look forward to it ! :-D

Now - back to that dratted David .......................... Grrrrrrrrrr!!!

Dea Xxx

Can't pin down the right Owen though. Dyffryn Clwyd is between St Asaph and Denbigh ( I am familiar with that area) but the few suspects I have never give that as their place of birth in the earlier censuses! Owen says Denbigh in 1891 but he's dead by 1901.

Owen seems to be pretty consistent with his age so I looked on the N Wales BMD site which gives subdistricts as well.

So my number 1 suspect is this chap:

Births Dec 1851
EVANS Owen Ruthin 27 194

Ruthin covers the districts of Llanfair Dyffryn Clwyd and Denbigh.

Now need to pin him down in 61 and 71!

Good Morning


Please tell me if I am talking nonsense.
Living at 1 Pant Road Public house is William James - what if it was Jones
as looking back his mother was called Elizabeth and the right age for what I have.
Elizabeth was ill for 6 months with Cancer. I was wondering if she had gone to her sons to die.
Maybe she did not show on the census in 1901.. in that 6 months
When David married Margaret he was living at 2 Pant Road which was next door.

regards Vivien.

Bore da Vivien,

I had that thought too. Zooming in on the image, it definitely says James so I'll go back and see if I can find the people in the pub 10 years earlier.

Janice

At this stage Vivien, everything is worth exploring !! :-)

Can't look into it at the moment though, sorry - Little grandson is here again today!

These school holidays are very busy times for grandparents ;-)

Still working on it though and will check back later.

Dea Xxx

GGRRRRRR! Ancestry is down so will have to do it later!

Here are the people at the pub:

1911

Name: Llewellyn James
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: Prince Llewellyn Inn Dowlais
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Registration District Number: 590
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 07

William James 49 widower
Jane James 52 sister, house keeper
William James 12
Llewellyn James 11
Ivor James 9
Frank James 6
Annie James 5



1901
Name: Llewellyn James
Age in 1901: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William James
Mother's Name: Margaret James
Gender: Male
Where born: Glam, Dowlais
Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
Ecclesiastical parish: Dowlais St John
Town: Dowlais
County/Island: Glamorgan
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34

William James 39
Margaret James 27
William James 2
Llewellyn James 1
Jane James 45