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Hi.

Do you want the marriage to Margaret because I do not have Elizabeths as yet.

Elizabeths age 67

Vivien

Yes - David and Margaret's marriage: ages, addresses, occupations, everything please

Thanks :-D

pm from Vivien:

28.2.1905
david Jones 44 years
widower
Engine Fitter in Steelworks
2, Pant Road Dowlais
Father James Jones deceased
Woodman

28.2.1905
Margaret Evans
44 yrs of age
Widow
No job
2, Market Street Dowlais
Father Thomas Jones deceased
Foreman of Coal Washing machine at Iron Works.

David Jones could not write so X is the mark of David Jones
Witnesses. Daniel Evans and Rachel Evans

Dea x

Hi Vivien,

Can I ask how you know that David's first wife was called Elizabeth?

You said you had some death and burial information. Are these original documents or ones you have bought yourself recently?

I have found a David and Elizabeth at 12 Pant Rd in 1891 but the ages aren't a match - although they may be wrong on the 2nd marriage cert anyway if they didn't tell the truth.

Also, how have you got hold of that Chicago address and date of travel? I assume if it's 1880, Edward is probably an older brother. Do you know if he married either in wales or the US, or when he died?

Janice

Firstly my apologies, I have been replying to everyone individually and not on the Thread, as I did not know what I was doing.
I sent for the Death Cert. from Merthyr Tydfil Registrars.
I had David Jones Death Certificate. I rang the Register of Graves to find out were
he was burried as we were going to Wales. The gentleman we spoke to said he was burried in with his wife Elizabeth and sent me a copy of the register. This shows the date of death of David which is the same as the Death Cert.
There is a huge age difference between Elizabeth and David.
I had a photograph of my Dads uncle, Edward and on the back it said he emigrated
to Chicago.
I'm sorry do not know whether he married here or not.

Regards Vivien

Thanks for that info Vivien. Did you visit the grave? Was there a headstone - if so, what was written on it?

Good morning

We did go to visit but unfortunately at that time we had no grave numbers, we
walked round for 3 hours and did not see anything. Plus we went on a weekend and the offices were closed.
In September we will be going again armed with grave numbers and it will be during the week.

regards Vivien

To everyone.

I also found out yesterday whilst asking about grave numbers that,
my Grandmother is burried with her first husband Owen Evans and alongside them is their 6 week old son Thomas Jan 4th 1886.

Vivien

Bore da, Vivien,

I've had a look at the census records and can't find a David with wife Elizabeth with that age gap. Best I could find was 12 years older.

24/25 years older does seem a lot - although if correct, could explain the lack of children. If he was only 21 at marriage, she'd be 46!

The other thought that crossed my mind was that there are 2 Elizabeth Joneses who died in Merthyr in that quarter, and could david's wife be the other one who was 43?

Also, 1 Pant Road is the address of a pub not a residential address - mind you, I suppose she could have died at the pub!

janice

Hello Janice

It is so complicated. When David Jones was getting married to Margaret his address was 2 Pant Road Dowlais. Thats 1905.
Hers was 2 Market Street Dowlais.
When David Jones died 2.2.1926 age 67 at General Hospital he was still living at 2 Market Street Dowlais.
On the register ofBuriels for Dowlais it shows David Jones age 67 died at General Hospital Interment 6.2.1926.
On the register of Graves for Dowlais it shows David alongside Elizabeth 67 died 13th May 1902.
The entry No. for David is 26207 Folio 9
The entry No Elizabeth is 16052 Folio 77
The Grave No. is ZE 25 Pant Cem. for both Vivien.

I am also convinced that the other Elizabeth's death in that same Quarter is 'David's Elizabeth - aged 43 - I can find no other to fit!

Grand-daughter here today - will look back later.

Dea Xxx

There's an old photo of Pant Road here (12th one down)

http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/pantyscallog.htm

Vivien
I have now received birth certificate for Edward Lewis Jones. born 24.10.1874
Father Thomas Jones
Mother Rachel Jones formerly Jones
Lived at. 2 Penwaunfawr. Merthyr Tydfil
Occupation of father. Stationary Engine Feeder.

I also have marriage cert between Owen Evans and Margaret Jones
28.10.1882
Owen age 30 Widower Coal Mine 9 Cwmcanol Street Father Thomas Evans Iron Miner
Margaret age 21 Spinster Penwaunfawr Father Thomas Jones Engine Tender

Gosh, that was very quick!

Another JONES!! AAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHH!

In the 1871 census that Dea found, the daughter Margaret was 9, an older sister for Harriet. That would make a marriage around 1861 quite likely as Rachel would be 21 then. This one looks promising:

Marriages Jun 1861
Evans Elizabeth Merthyr T 11a 496
Jones Rachel Merthyr T 11a 496
Jones Thomas Merthyr T 11a 496
Matthews Morgan Merthyr T 11a 496

Will check the census to see if Morgan married Eliz or rachel - fingers crossed!!


EDIT - YAY Morgan married Elizabeth so this looks like it could be our Thomas and Rachel :-)

Here's Owen in 1881 - he's a widower at this stage, and was born in N Wales

Name: Owen Evans
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Dyffrynclwyd, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 9 Cwmcanol St Cae Harris
Occupation: Coal Miner
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Upper Merthyr Tydfil
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Ellis Jones 48
Sarah Jones 54
Margaret Jones 22
Daniel Rowland 68
John Evans 39
Owen Evans 30
Daniel Lewis 32

Hi!

Goodness knows what has happened to David Jones

Thank you for the information.

Vivien

Just had a thought - now that we know Rachel's maiden name was Jones, perhaps that 1851 census entry I found could be her after all (bottom of page 1)

Just to let you know that I am still working on David.

I really think I have him but, as usual it is complicated by many marriages and several 'Joneses' amongst them.

When I get to the bottom of it I will post :-S :-S :-S

At the moment, I haven't 'proved' it but nor can I disprove it :-(

Dea x

Go Dea!!!! This is just as exciting as the Olympics lol!