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Florence Winifred Brockbank C1930 SORRY!

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jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 00:35

Maybe he remarried in 1945?

Marriages Jun 1945 (>99%)
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Baker Martha E Brockbank Wirral 8a 1318
Brockbank Thomas J Baker Wirral 8a 1318
Brockbank Thomas J Osman Wirral 8a 1318
Osman Martha E Brockbank Wirral 8a 1318


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Martha Ellen Brockbank Name: Martha Ellen Brockbank
Birth Date: 27 Mar 1906
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1978
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 14
Page: 0401

Can see a birth for a Martha Ellen Baker Bromley 1909...age at death could be wrong?

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 00:41

Nice find Jax.
Excuse me for wandering off, but I've been working on trying to eliminate or confirm that T J Brockman POW is 'our' Thomas. The reason being, this could explain why Florence had to adopt her son out.
Presuming Thomas was a POW - then he was still missing in 1945. Florence would have been left alone with 2 young girls, neither able to work yet, and not knowing if her husband was dead or coming home. Perhaps she allowed someone to "take care" of her and the girls.
A couple of scenarios...she became pregnant and the relationship had ended and she was financially unable to keep the child, or as it wasn't her husband, and forced to give up the child.

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 00:42

Yes I saw that marriage entry, it would need a bit more looking into just to work out which name for starters.
Looks like she may have been married before to a Bromley?

jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 00:50

There were 5 Brockbank/Collins births and as I said last night Some that I had looked at could not see any trace after the birth entry one in 1946 and another in 1947 in particular so what happened to those?...unless I missed them somewhere...maybe they were adopted too?

Having the two names means divorce normally but I cannot actully see a marraige for Baker/Osman in this country

No Bromley was where she was born sorry

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 00:57

Sorry to divert, but had a message from a distant connection regarding Albert Snooks. He was elected to the Tower Hamlets council, and I just had a look and found a Albert JOHN Snooks, elected. This must be a son, but I don't have him on my tree. Another Albert Snooks elected 1980

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 01:03

Going back to the 5 Collins/Brockbank births..
We know of Sheila 1934 and Jean 1938.
Who was born in 1946 and 1947?
Does this include John in 1948?

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 01:13

Found them...Dennis in 1946 and Rosemary 1947
Nothing more as you said..hmmm.
I have to ask, IF their mother is the same mother of John, why did she use her married name instead of her maiden name?
Are we looking at another Florence Winifred Brockbank?
I doubt it, but again, raises more questions than answers.

jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 01:34

Thats what we dont know...if of course it is the same person. I have seen births registered with mothers previous name rather than maiden name in the past, but have always put that down to the father registering the births and just used the name his wife married under?

There are no Florence W Brockbank's born in England or Wales and only two Florence Brockbank's one in 1916 with middle initial of "I" and one in 1926 both in the north of England

jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 01:43

Oh look she is on the ER

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Florence W Brockbank Name: Florence W Brockbank
Electoral Year: 1948
Parliamentary Division: Islington
County or Borough: Islington


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Florence W Brockbank Name: Florence W Brockbank
Electoral Year: 1950
Parliamentary Division: Hackney South
County or Borough: Hackney

London, England, Electoral Registers, 1847-1965
about Florence W Brockbank Name: Florence W Brockbank
Electoral Year: 1951
Parliamentary Division: Hackney
County or Borough: Hackney


will look to see if she is living with anyone

jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 01:53

1948

1 Mildmay park

living with 3 others Albert E Harmer, Gilbert and Cissie Osburn

1950

87 Greenwood road Hackney

Living with two Couples Mortimer's and the Day's

1951

Same as 1950

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 01:57

The 1948 address is the one she used on John's birth certificate.
Albert would have to be a possible suspect.
Great work again.

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 01:59

Any chance of finding her in the 1945/46/47 and 1952 ERs?
If we work backwards we may find when Thomas left, or if he was there at all.

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 02:01

BTW, when in the year was the ER taken?

jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 02:10

There were no ER's taken during the war years and if she was living in Essex they are not listed on Ancestry..only London.

Have no idea when they were taken but there is nothing for her after 1951 as she then married Albert Snooks

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 02:15

Wouldn't there be records for 1946/7, Or was there a hiatus after the war?

jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 02:20

If she is the mother of the two born in 46 and 47 she was'nt living in London at that time not far out but it came under Essex.

She probably just rented a room in these houses and I have found a death of an Albert E Harmer and he would have been 68 in 1948 so maybe not her man friend :-D

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 02:23

I'm missing something. You said there were 5 Collins/Brockbank children, but I can see only 4...who am I missing?

jax

jax Report 1 May 2012 02:26

In 1952 they are listed at 6 Rutherford house, Bethnal Green living with his mother Sarah


The other birth was in 1942

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 02:51

Ahh TY ... Joan 1942.
Well that would eliminate any military action, Unless he went off to war 1942 or later.
So we have With Thomas Brockbank
Sheila 1934
Jean 1938
Joan 1942
Dennis 1946
Rosemary 1947

John 1948 (Father unknown)

With Albert Snooks
Leslie 1951
Kathleen 1952
Susan 1957

Wendy

Wendy Report 1 May 2012 03:01

Here's a thought.
If Florence and Thomas had Rosemary in 1947 (3rd quarter), and then John was born about 12 months later (September)...and we have to presume it is the same Florence...there are a couple of possibilities here.
We suspect Thomas died many years later, so he didn't die before John was born.
Did he leave before Rosemary was born?
If he was still around for her birth, then it would be most likely that as Florence would have to have got pregnant a few months after she was born, that Thomas is the father of John.

The plot thickens