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Please can anyone advise me? I am very stuck!
I am researching, in Cheshire and Lancashire and have arrived at Scottish Ancestors
I am in possession of an 1861 Barony, Glasgow census
It has Mary McLean as Head married age 40 born Dumfries no mention of a husband (who I am hoping is Peter) though… however, she has 4 children living with her 3 sons and 1 daughter.
I am hoping that the daughter is my family line..
William son age 14
ELLEN daughter age 12
Alexander son age 9
Peter son age 7
On the census, all four children are listed as born in LIVERPOOL
I have searched Birth Records on Free B.M.D but can’t find any record of them
I have searched the Lancashire B.M.D also but can not find any record of them
If the records have not been transcribed yet, what can I do? Go direct to the registrar or do you think maybe they weren’t really born in Liverpool after all? Mmm…!
Any suggestions would be appreciated Ta

Meryl
:-S

Hello Meryl, there are several options:

McLean may be spelt differently i.e. Maclean etc etc

They may not be born in Liverpool but perhaps raised there (like some of my relatives - that delayed me a bit)

Where have you searched the bmd?

(edit: sorry you said)

Oh.. an answer ha..
(not familiar with this)
I have only searched on line.. Free bmd
.and I have searched online the Lancashire site bmd
Meryl

Meyl, was Mary listed as married, widowed, unmarried?

As Head but married

Thank you for looking
Well..
it does look like him, but my ELLEN (the next child down on the census).. her Father is named on her marriage cert as Peter McLean, but I suppose they could have different fathers?

No, if it's Peter then that's probably correct.

I'll check again using Peter but I may be a little while as have to get tea

Is it possible Peter was in the Army - see William below
? William B MCCLEAN 1846 Place unknown GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement R.A. Vol 22 Pg128
? Alexander MCLEAN Mar Qtr 1852 West Derby, Lancs 8B 293
? Peter Irving MCCLEAN Jun Qtr 1854 West Derby, Lancs 8B 291

Thank you very much again for helping.. but do you know what.. you are definitely right with the census, because I have an earlier census in Liveerpool, where the two older children are listed as William John and Ellen B.. but you have helped convince me that this is not my family.. sorry :-(

Meryl

Hi Meryl, it may be best to start out with what you know if definite and see if we can figure it out.

A lot of Liverpool records are online if they were from Liverpool.

Again a lot of Scottish records are online if they were from Scotland (through Scotlandspeople)

Edit: i'll delete the Liverpool baptisms so not to confuse things for now

Oh wOw Bingo! ( excitedsqueal) Yes...
I am sure that Peter was in the Scots Guards! well. that's just me.. no proof BUT, Peter McLean was my father's Gt.Gt.Grandad.
Dad always told me that his cousin got into the Scots Guards in the 2nd W.W., because his Gt.Grandparents were McLeans and there must have been a link as you had to have a connection..
I lost my Dad 6 years ago, but his brother, myUncle confirmed this for me last week also :-D

Meryl

Who (and where) did your Ellen marry?

This looks like the other family:
1851 census transcription details for: 22, Park Street, Extra Parochial RG number: HO107 Piece: 2188 Folio: 218 Page: 3

Reg. District: West Derby Sub District: Toxteth Park St John Baptists

MCLEAN, Mary Wife Married F 30 1821
Dumfries
Scotland
MCLEAN, William John Son M 4 1847
Liverpool
Lancashire
MCLEAN, Ellen B Daughter F 2 1849
Liverpool
Lancashire

1871 Scotland Census about Helen Mclean
Name: Helen Mclean
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William Mclean
Mother's name: Mary Mclean
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 7 W Bothwell St
Occupation: Embroiderer
ED: 40
Household schedule number: 22
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1871_137
Household Members:
Name Age
William Mclean 49 Occ:Fireman in Mill
Mary Mclean 50
William Mclean 24
Helen Mclean 22
Alexander Mclean 19
Peter Mclean 16
Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow Barony; ED: 40; Page: 5; Line: 16; Roll: CSSCT1871_137; Year: 1871

Maureen

I was just going to post something on the people you started out with but it seems they are not 'your's' after all !!

We are here to help Meryl, - why not take a deep breath and post the information you are SURE of - we can then start from there ans see if we can help?

Dea Xxx

My Ellen married Alexander Rankin in Manchester Cathedral on 24th January 1870.
It gives Alexander Rankin
It states Ellen's father as Peter McLean, occupation Cutler (I wonder if with knives in the army) and Alexander's father as William Rankin, sawyer as living at 10 Broad Lane Cheetham, Manchester and Eleanor (but she signed it Ellen) as living at 148 Rydal Mount, Cheetham, Manchester
My Dad used to say his Gt.Granny came down from Scotland and went in service in Manchester and when I 'googled' 148 Rydal Mount it came up with Housemaids residence...!
I really think the army is very likely

The 1861 census I presume you are referring to Meryl - no image available on FMP
1861 census transcription details for: Sharps Lane, Barony

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 644 Folio: 8 Page: 10

Reg. District: Anderston Sub District:
Parish: Barony Enum. District: 28
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Sharps Lane, Barony
County: Lanarkshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age BirthYear Occupation ,Disability Where Born
MCLEAN, Mary Head Married F 40 1821 Dumfriesshire
MCLEAN, Willm Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Moulder Metal Liverpool
MCLEAN, Ellen Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar Liverpool
MCLEAN, Alexr Son M 9 1852 Scholar Liverpool
MCLEAN, Peter Son M 7 1854 Scholar Liverpool

I am sorry Dea, but I didn't know they were not mine at that point, whereas people have convinced me that they are not now, by finding them with a father, William, not a Peter :-)

Meryl

Hello Meryl,

Before you dismiss them, there were a lot of McLean baptisms - I'll check to see if there are any details that match with a father called Peter. :)

Yes Thankyou Stuart
Edinburgh Records sent me that census form as 'A possibility', BUT, as no Father is mentioned on it, I couldn't know if they were my family or not , But if the father to all those children is a William, then it's unlikely that they are my family, as Ellen's Father is named as Peter
Meryl

No probs Meryl,

I am just trying to establish what you have and who you wish to follow :-)

Dea x

SO - we are working back from 'Ellen' !!

Do you have the wedding cert? - If so, could you post ALL the details please, including witnesses - fathers, ages, occupations, addresses etc.

Thanks,

Dea x