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Sylann
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29 Jun 2012 17:31 |
Sorry I meant to ask if anyone can get anymore info on these marriages may be fathers names ??
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MarieCeleste
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29 Jun 2012 19:11 |
Sylann - if you want any more info on those marriages you'll have to buy the certificates.
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29 Jun 2012 19:13 |
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Rose Garber Arrival Date: 1 Aug 1923 Birth Year: abt 1900 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Manchester, England Age: 23 Gender: Female Ethnicity/RaceĀ/Nationality: Hebrew Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Franconia
She was 5' 4" tall, fair hair, fair skin and blue eyes. Occupation machinist.
Next of kin in England was mother Mrs Blema Garber, 17 St Shad's Street, Cheetham, Manchester.
She was going to her aunt Mrs A Silverman, 2503 Locust Street, Pittsburgh, PA.
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29 Jun 2012 19:21 |
In 1930 she's with a Jack and Fanny Belinski, which matches one of the marriages you asked about.
1930 United States Federal Census Name: Rose Garber Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1902 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1930: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts View Map Marital Status: Single Immigration Year: 1923 Relation to Head of House: Sister-in-law Father's Birthplace: Poland Mother's Birthplace: Poland Occupation: Stitcher (Clothing) Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: Parents' birthplace: Poland
Household Members: Name Age Jack Belinsky 24 - examiner (clothing) Fannie Belinsky 25 Asher Belinsky 10 months Rose Garber 28 (sister-in-law)
Jack, Fanny and little Asher had just immigrated in 1930.
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29 Jun 2012 19:32 |
Fanny arriving in NY:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Fanny Belinsky Arrival Date: 26 Feb 1930 Birth Year: abt 1904 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: Manchester, England Age: 26 Gender: Female Ethnicity/RaceĀ/Nationality: Hebrew Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Andania
She was travelling with Jacob (23, a tailor) and Asher (7 mos).
The next of kin in england for all of them was Jacob's father - Harris Belinsky, 16 Faraday Avenue, Cheetham, Manchester.
They were headed to Jacob's cousin - Wooly Weiner, 24 Willcock Street, Dorchester, Boston, Mass.
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29 Jun 2012 19:40 |
Rose returning:
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Rose Garber Birth Date: abt 1900 Age: 32 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 19 Sep 1932 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Boston Ship Name: Georgic Shipping Line: White Star Line Official Number: 162365
She's a stitcher, states Russian subject.
Going to 9 York Buildings, Manchester. Intends permanent residence to be in a foreign country.
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29 Jun 2012 20:08 |
Could be Rose going back to America:
Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name: Rosie Garber - Machinist. Arrival Date: 12 Nov 1932 Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900 Gender: Female Ethnic Background: Hebrew Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Britannic Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name: Sarah Baker Last Residence: United States of America Birthplace: Manchester, England
nok in England her sister Mrs Nussbaum, 9 York Buildings, Cheetham, Manchester.
Going to her friend Sarah Baker, 34 Browning Avenue, Dorchester, Mass.
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29 Jun 2012 20:26 |
U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1795-1972 (World Archives Project)
Name: Jacob Berniski [Jacob Belinsky] Age: 27 Birth Date: 5 Jan 1906 Birth Location: England Spouse: Fannie, born 05 Apr 1903 Children: Asher, born 06 Jan 1929 Arrival Year: 1930 - on the Andania Issue Date: 24 Nov 1933 State: California Locality, Court: Southern District, Central Division, Los Angeles, California, District Court Record Type: Declaration of Intention
Married Fannie 03 Sep 1928 in Manchester.
Working as a truck driver. Lives 1612 Alesandro Street, Los Angeles, California.
Interestingly, states he entered the US as Jacob Berniski but known as Belinsky.
It has a photo so have sent to Sylann.
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MarieCeleste
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29 Jun 2012 20:43 |
Looks like Fanny and Jacob changed their name to Bell:
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project) Name: Fay Bell [formerly Fanny Belinsky] Birth Date: abt 1904 Age at event: 36 Court District: California Date of Action: 8 Mar 1940
On her declaration of intention in 1939 she names her husband as Jack Bell.
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29 Jun 2012 20:44 |
Fanny's death:
Social Security Death Index Name: Fay Bell SSN: 547-32-7318 Last Residence: 90266 Manhattan Beach, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Born: 5 Apr 1903 Died: 2 May 1999 State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951)
and Jacob's:
Social Security Death Index Name: Jack Bell SSN: 562-14-3641 Last Residence: 90016 Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Born: 5 Jan 1906 Died: Sep 1971 State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951)
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Sylann
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29 Jun 2012 21:59 |
Sorry for the delay I'd given up and just thought I'd check before going off line
Thank you for all that info Rose fits into the family I've got
I'll have a good look at all the info now and digest it !!
Thank you again for your help
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MarieCeleste
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29 Jun 2012 22:28 |
Sylann - check your inbox!
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Sylann
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29 Jun 2012 23:04 |
all fits
The one thing I've noticed Rose visiting her aunt Mrs A silverman
This means i have Silverman on both sides of this family
I think it is a Jewish surname so their must have been a few about
Do they have censuses for 1920 -1930 just wondering if Mrs a Silverman has any family??
Just checked inbox fantastic Thank you
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MarieCeleste
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30 Jun 2012 10:36 |
Sylann - there's no way, just from census records and without a first name, of knowing which of the many A Silvermans would be Rose's aunt. She's obviously not with her aunt in 1920 or 1930.
You'll need to work out if the sister of either one of Rose's parents married a Mr Silverman and we can take it from there. (Of course, "aunt" can be a loosely used term).
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Sylann
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30 Jun 2012 14:55 |
Ok I'll look into that
Thank you
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