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i have but got no reply..there been no action on there for 6mths. on wedding cert,the bit with peters occupation is not on nor are witnesses...all i can see for witnesses is "the mark of john whit-? and the mark of catherine L and just under that is jass? or jars?" sorry i cant help any more than that...have just looked on the copies the lady sent me and that not complete,so it wasnt my printing error. i know,cos the lady printed out for me,that catherine was born 1836/37,married in 1861 and died with hepatitis and effusion on the brain 17th march 1868....wot i CANT find out is WHERE she was born,so that i can look for a baptism myself,then i wouldnt be a nuisance to the GR helpers. elaine.x

What was wrong with the baptism record of 15 Jan 1832 given?

As I said if this is Denis just before he married...could this be her brother perhaps?

1861
Name: Michael Rice
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St Thomas
Town: Ashton in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Ashton in Mackerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Salinger 35
Bridget Salinger 30
Michael Salinger 10 MO
Thomas Holland 17
Owen Laley 24
Michael Rice 22 >>>>>>>>>>>>Ireland
Dennis Mahon 24 >>>>>>>>>>>Ireland

1832 seems early?

Elaine, could you give the name of the child born when Catherine died?

This is Denis with his new wife 1871, if it helps to clarify.


MAHON, Dennis Head M 36 1835 Ireland VIEW
MAHON, Bridget Wife F 36 1835 Ireland VIEW
MAHON, Joseph Son M 8 1863 Lancashire VIEW
MAHON, Cathrine Daughter F 6 1865 Lancashire VIEW
MAHON, Peter Son M 4 1867 Lancashire VIEW
MAHON, Ann Daughter F 3 1868 Lancashire VIEW
MAHON, John Son M 2 1869 Lancashire VIEW
MAHON, Mary Daughter F 0 1871 Lancashire VIEW
GEETON, Cristopher Lodger M 27 1844 Ireland VIEW
HILAND, Patrick Lodger M 30 1841 Ireland VIEW
QUIN, Edward Lodger M 27 1844 Ireland VIEW
PEARNEY, John Lodger M 35 1836 Ireland VIEW

Coming from a tree on Ancestry ....... maybe we could know what information there is actually evidence for, that doesn't come from a tree on Ancestry?

Trees on Ancestry are commonly not worth the bandwidth they take up.

Long shot...............on FBMD there is a death of a Catherine Mahon 1867 in West Derby aged 0?? below is a guy aged 44.......could there have been a transcriber error??

Its on the Gore family tree as mentioned in the other thread. Last child born was Ann march 1868

jax

Births Mar 1868
Mahan Ann Warrington 8c 164


the 1871 household is in Haydock which is in Warrington reg dist

Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MAHAN Catharine 31 Warrington 8c 96

i thought the same jax,and so did the other lady..maybe he met catherine thro her brother. it too early joy..sorry. janey,catherine had 4 children:-joseph,catherine(my gt gran),peter and ann,,,apparently she died a few days after ann was born. denis married bridget farrell in the july of same year(1868) and they went on to have more children. the husband of the lady who sent me document copies,is the gt g/son of margaret,the 2nd youngest of these children

I'm not going looking for family trees at Ancestry -- or at other threads. ;) All the info for *this* thread should be in this thread!

After asking and getting no answer, I've posted what seems to be the birth associated with the death of Catherine.

Ann, there wouldn't likely be transcriber error into the GRO index that would result in transposition of info from two different sources.


Well, here we go.

Deaths Mar 1868
MAHAN Catharine 31 Warrington 8c 96

This person in 1861 is the right age; father apparently living but not present:

Name: Catherine Rice
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Margaret Rice
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Lancashire

Margaret Rice 57
Catherine Rice 23
Charles Brookes 80
Eliza Cardwell 64
Mary Ann Greatrex 15 granddaughter

bit late JC found it already lol

jax

Yes, jax, we were typing at the same time ... after I posted the date and location of the child's birth ...

Could Peter actually have been Pierce?

[edited out the Pierce Rice family as I think I've spotted Peter, see below]

But I meant to say -- I think jax may be quite right and Michael is the brother, and the family is from Ireland.


Oh -- mother Margaret in the 1861 (not 1871 as I misstyped at first) household I posted above was born in Ireland.

How about ...


1861

Name: Peter Rice
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
>> Relation: Night Watchmak (it says Watchman)
Where born: Dundalk, Leicestershire, England >> it says LEINSTER
Condition as to marriage:

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Queen Dock Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead


A night watchman on a vessel would be away from home on census night!

Elaine,

This site contains RC records for the area you are searching.......maybe worth a look or some contact addresses

.http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/


Ann

1851 ??

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire

Peter Rice 53 - labourer dk - born Ireland
Margt Rice 41 - born Ireland
W Rice 17 - son born Liverpool
L B Rice 14 - son born Liverpool
Elis Rice 12 - daughter born Liverpool
J Rice 9 - son born "
R Rice 1 - son orn "
W Lepping 67
C Lepping 61
E Lepping 30

the lady who sent me documents janey,was one i contacted on GR! at least people on here reply to you..i've left a couple of messages on anc. and heard nothing. re the last rice link..if indeed michael was catherines younger brother would he not have still been at home..if she was 14 he would av bin 12, or am i wrong?(wouldnt be for the first time!) btw janey,i should have jane e kellys wedding cert soon..they said 18th april