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Hello Lady K
Thank you for the links you gave, and I did follow them. BTW, I have information on he Fawdry family. Due to matches with other people's family trees I have the family back until th emid 1700s. I knew that Luke Fawdry was in Prison during the 1881 Census. have yet to establish what he had done.

I cannot confirm James Newman's occupation was on henry's marriage certificate he is listed as Deceased. Henry F Newman's occupations were Stationery dealer/Salesman and Inks salesman. On the marriage certificate his occupation states 'Traveller' so I think this refers to him being a travelling salesman or similar.

Yes, you are absolutely correct about the inaccuracies of the census. On the marriage certificate the age give for Winifred Ellen (Fawdry) is 21 which matches all of the Fawdry records we have. therefore I think it safe to assume that Henry was born around 1878. The place of birth however is something in dispute.

Thanks again for all of your efforts.

I can still find no better match on the records I have.

Just wondering if you can clarify the marriage certificate a bit.

The transcription at FreeBMD says

Marriages Sep 1907
FAWDREY Winnifred Ellen Southam 6d 1457
NEWMAN Harry Fountain Southam 6d 1457


Your post says:

the marriage certificate of Henry FOUNTAIN NEWMAN and Winifrd ELLEN FAWDRY.

i.e.

Harry vs Henry
(Fawdrey vs Fawdry - a typo, I think)

Harry or Henry?

and it is Harry on the image of the GRO register


it could be a mis-transcription, but if so it dates back to the entering of the information in the GRO register



I cannot find a Harry Fountain Newman, as such ..... although, of course, ancestry ahs exactly the same marriage registration information .......... as it was taken from the freebmd records.




sylvia

Yes, the certificate appears to say 'Harry'. Though definitely 'Henry' on my mothers birth certificate from 1910, and on 1911 Census. really could d with the 1921 census being available, but hve to wait a while yet.

I have searched using Henry and Harry. Also the surnames Newman and Fountian separately. Unfortunately no matches on anything.

I am still favouring the birth year as c.1878, but cannot obtain a birth certificate as unsure of place of birth. If I could trace that then we may get somewhere and get a definite name of his mother. States father as James Newman on marriage certificate, but no further information.

I wonder if you should try rootscat as they have their message boards set up with geographical sections. You are likely to find someone with local knowledge.

sorry, LK


do you mean rootschat?

On the 1901 census for Emma Fountain that LadyKira found the original entry shows Henry Fountain, head, married,26, born Eaton Bray Beds.
Can't make out his occupation.
This entry has been crossed out.
Looks like he may have gone awol.

I have just spent the whole day on this but I think I have got now.

There are 2 Henry Fountains of a similar age

I have put everything found so far into chronological order and included possibly relevant people. I suspect the 2 families are related.
It is long so it will take several postings.

1901 Address: 18, Weymouth Street, Hemel Hempstead
FOUNTAIN, Emma Head Married F 27 1874 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Ethel Daughter Single F 9 1892 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Henry Son Single M 2 1899 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eva Daughter Single F 0 (4 MOS) 1901 Hemel Hempstead Hertfordshire
BERMHAM, Ernest Brother-In-Law Single M 20 1881 Labourer In Paper Mill Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BERMHAM, Jack Brother-In-Law Single M 17 1884 Labourer In Paper Mill Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
On the 1901 census for Emma Fountain that LadyKira found the original entry shows Henry Fountain, head, married,26, born Eaton Bray Beds.<<<<Older Henry
Can't make out his occupation.
This entry has been crossed out.
Looks like he may have gone awol.

1901 Address: Prospect Cottages, Summerleys, Eaton Bray
NEWMAN, Charles Head Married M 31 1870 Bread Baker Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire
NEWMAN, Sabina Wife Married F 35 1866 Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire
NEWMAN, Constance Daughter M 0 (6 MOS) 1901 Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire
NEWMAN, Ann Mother Widow F 64 1837 Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire
IMPEY, Frederick Boarder Single M 16 1885 Journeyman Baker Eddlesborough Buckinghamshire

1901 Address: School Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Head Widow F 44 1857 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Frank Son Single M 24 1877 Labourer Ordinary Farm Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Harry Son Single M 20 1881 Labourer Cattleman Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<<
FOUNTAIN, Lucy Daughter Single F 15 1886 Factory Printng Hand Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Amos Son Single M 12 1889 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Jeffery Son Single M 9 1892 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Arnott Son Single M 2 1899 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire


Marriage of Henry Fountain Newman with Winifed Ellen Fawdrey
They married July 20th 1907 at All Saints Church, in Harbury (parish of Warwick)
Father of Henry Fountain Newman 29 was James Newman (deceased)
Father of Winifred 21 was Luke Fawdry (deceased)
witnesses:
Albert Edward Fawdrey
Louise Beatrix Hillyard

Births Sep 1909
Newman Winifred Maria Southwark 1d 50a

1911 3 William St Tottenham County:Middlesex
NEWMAN, Henry Fountain Head Married M 28 1883 Stationery Dealer Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
NEWMAN, Winifred Ellen Fountain Wife Married F 24 1887 Witney Oxfordshire
NEWMAN, Winifred Maria Fountain Daughter F 2 1909 Camberwell London
NEWMAN, Nellie Eileen Fountain Daughter F 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Islington London
Address:


Henry F Newman's occupations were Stationery dealer/Salesman and Inks salesman. On the marriage certificate his occupation states 'Traveller' so I

think this refers to him being a travelling salesman or similar.

1911 Address: Summerleys Eaton Bray Dunstable
NEWMAN, Charles Head Married M 41 1870 Baker Bread Bucks Edlesborough
NEWMAN, Sabina Wife Married 12 years F 44 1867 Bucks Edlesborough
NEWMAN, Constance Daughter F 10 1901 Beds Eaton Bray
NEWMAN, Bernard Son M 3 1908 Beds Eaton Bray
NEWMAN, Ann Mother Widow F 74 1837 Bucks Edlesborough
NICHOLLS, Matilda Visitor Single F 39 1872 Straw Hat Finisher Bucks Edlesborough

1881 Address: Bower Lane, Eaton-Bray
BURNHAM, John Head Married M 43 1838 General Labr Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Ann Wife Married F 27 1854 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Hannah Boarder Single F 19 1862 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Walter Son Single M 17 1864 General Labr Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Joseph Son Single M 13 1868 General Labr Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Lydia Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
FOUNTAIN, Roda Step Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Ethred Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
FOUNTAIN, Henry Step Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire 99%)
Fountain Sabina Leighton B. 3b 649
Munn Charles Leighton B. 3b 649


1891 census Address: Gammons Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Richard Head Married M 40 1851 Agricultral Labourer Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Wife Married F 34 1857 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Frank Son M 15 1876 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Harry Son M 10 1881 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire 99%)
FOUNTAIN Rhoda Ann Leighton Buzzard 3b 632
Scott Henry Gazane Leighton B. 3b 632


1891 Address: Spring Road, Bedford Eastern Ward, Kempston
EDMENDS, John Head Married M 47 1844 Retired Farmer Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, Ellen Wife Married F 28 1863 Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, John Son M 4 1887 Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, Annie C Daughter F 2 1889 Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, William Son M 1 1890 Crick Northamptonshire
HORRIS, William Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Luton Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Henry Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Caton Bedfordshire Bray <<<<<I think this is the older Henry
PARES, Henry Lodger Single M 16 1875 Militia Man Luton Bedfordshire
LUCK, Edward Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Redgmount Bedfordshire
HORN, Eli Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Caton Bedfordshire Bray

1891 Address: St Giles, Eaton Bray
BURNHAM, John Head Married M 53 1838 Agricultural Labourer Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Ann Wife Married F 38 1853 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Walter Son Single M 27 1864 Ag Labourer Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Lydia Daughter Single F 18 1873 Straw Plaiter Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Florrie Daughter Single F 11 1880 Straw Plaiter Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Ernest Son M 9 1882 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, John Son M 7 1884 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Lily Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Ruth Daughter F 1 1890 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1891 Address: Chapel Yard, Eaton Bray
COLMAN, James T Head Married M 22 1869 General Labourer Luton Bedfordshire
COLMAN, Annie E Wife Married F 23 1868 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
COLMAN, Clara E Daughter F 0 (8M) 1891 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
CRIPPS, Emma Sister In Law F 18 1873 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

Marriages Sep 1892
CRIPPS Emma Leighton B. 3b 791
FOUNTAIN Henry Leighton B. 3b 791 This must be the older Henry

Marriages Sep 1898
Newman Charles Leighton B. 3b 817
Nicholls Sabina Leighton B. 3b 817

1871 Address: Western Side, Eaton Bray
DYER, David Head M 40 1831 Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Wife F 39 1832 Bedfordshire
DYER, Betsy Daughter F 15 1856 Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Daughter F 12 1859 Bedfordshire
DYER, Hannah Daughter F 10 1861 Bedfordshire
DYER, George Son M 6 1865 Bedfordshire
DYER, Arthur Son M 4 1867 Bedfordshire

1871 Address: High Street, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Richard Head M 71 1800 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Susanna Wife F 71 1800 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, James Grandson M 19 1852 Bedfordshire


1871 Address: High Street, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Charles Head M 48 1823 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sabina Sister F 24 1847 Bedfordshire


Marriages Dec 1870
DYER Ann Leighton B. 3b 831
FOUNTAIN Frederic Leighton B. 3b 831

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
FOUNTAIN Eliza Leighton Buzzard 3b 667
FOUNTAIN Richard Leighton Buzzard 3b 667


1871 Address: High Street Sun Yard, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Frederick Head M 21 1850 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Ann Wife F 19 1852 Bedfordshire

Births Jun 1872
Fountain Rhoda Ann Leighton B 3b 445


Name: Henry Fountain
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Aug 1875
Baptism/Christening Place: EATON BRAY,BEDFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 13 Nov 1874
Father's Name: Frederick Fountain
Mother's Name: Ann

Deaths Sep 1875
FOUNTAIN Frederick 31 Leighton B. 3b 257

Groom's Name: John Burnham
Groom's Birth Date: 1835
Groom's Age: 43
Bride's Name: Ann Fountain
Bride's Birth Date: 1852
Bride's Age: 26
Marriage Date: 03 Oct 1878
Marriage Place: Ivinghoe,Buckingham,England
Groom's Father's Name: Joseph Burnham
Bride's Father's Name: David Dyer

1841 Address: High Street, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Richard M 40 1801 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Susan F 40 1801 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Jabez M 15 1826 Bedfordshire <<<<Henry's paternal grandad
FOUNTAIN, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Gadsden M 12 1829 Bedfordshire <<<<<Henry's maternal grandad
FOUNTAIN, Jonas M 10 1831 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza F 8 1833 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Emma F 6 1835 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Naomi F 4 1837 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, John M 1 1840 Bedfordshire

1841 Address: Middle Green, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, William M 40 1801 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sarah F 35 1806 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Betsey F 13 1828 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Martin M 11 1830 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza F 6 1835 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Ruth F 3 1838 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Enoch M 1 1840 Bedfordshire

RICHARD FOUNTAIN Pedigree (Just when I thought it could not get more complicated)
Christening: 17 MAY 1846 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England
Parents:
Father: JESSE FOUNTAIN Family
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth or christening record
C035623

1851 Address: St Giles, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, William Head Married M 48 1803 Ag Lab Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sarah Wife Married F 48 1803 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Charles Son Unmarried M 28 1823 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Ann Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Ruth Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sabina Daughter F 5 1846
Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Frederick Son M 2 1849 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1851 Address: St Giles, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Jabez Head Married M 28 1823 Ag Lab Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<<Henry's paternal grandad
FOUNTAIN, Lousia Wife Married F 26 1825 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, William Son M 7 1844 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Richard Son M 5 1846 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, George Son M 2 1849 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1861 Address: Eastern Side, Eaton Bray
DYER, David Head Married M 29 1832 Agricultural Labourer Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Wife Married F 27 1834 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Daughter F 1 1860 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1861 Address: Eastern Side, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, William Head Married M 58 1803 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sabrina Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Fredrick Son M 12 1849 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1861 Address: Bower Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Louisa Head Married F 39 1822 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, William Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Richard Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<<<Henry's Dad
FOUNTAIN, George Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, James Son M 4 1857 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Charles Son M 9 1852 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Edwin Son M 4 1857 Edlesborough Buckinghamshire

1861 Address: Bower Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Gaddesden Head Married M 39 1822 Agricultural Labourer Totternhoe Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Leah Wife Married F 35 1826 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Henry Son Unmarried M 11 1850 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Isaac Son M 8 1853 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Edward Son M 6 1855 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Daughter F 4 1857 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<< Henry's Mum

so LK you are saying that

Richard Fountain married Eliza Fountain

that they are the parents of Henry


AND that the fathers of Richard and Eliza were brothers ................... Jabez and Gadsden Fountain



seems to work out to me



sylvia

Oh good Because I had so many fountains I was not sure if I got confused.

Hi everybody,

Sorry. it can't be the younger Henry/Harry as he is in the Leighton Buzzard Dis in 1911 as born 1882.

Since this man is lying about his name and his father's name, why not lie about his age? In fact I am dumfounded he didn't lie about his birthplace or maybe he did.

Has everyone tried to make out his occupation in 1901? After the first word I can make out "for the King." I think he was in the military and deserted. He has managed to hide himself in 1901 from the census takers or changed enough that I can't identify him.

I can't find a death about that time that fits.

I also have been in touch with and wll write the wife of a descendant of Emma's sister and the wife of a descendant of Henry's youngest, Eva, to see if there were any family stories.

I am related to a number of these people including Henry and Emma mostly through marriages of relatives. All the Fountains in Eaton Bray are descendants of John Fountain and Ann Gayton. In addition to fathers who were brothers, Richard and Eliza had mothers who were sisters.

1901 census for Emma in Weymouth St.
Brothers in law checking back must be Burnham.

Anybody think that Henry may have been trying to reinvent himself.

NEW MAN

Henry Fountain son of Ann and Frederick was born 1874

Henry Fountain son of Richard and Eliza born c 1881

This marriage must there fore be son of Ann and Frederick as he the other one would have been 12 years old in 1892


Marriages Sep 1892
CRIPPS Emma Leighton B. 3b 791
FOUNTAIN Henry Leighton B. 3b 791

In 1891 Henry 1874 was indeed a militia man

I do not think Henry Fountain Newman was lying about his place of birth.
If he wanted to hide it he would have been as vvague as possible, not come up with a tiny village as specific as that.

I know we have not found why he names James Newmanas his father.

Maybe there was an adoption or something.

And there is this one


1911 census - household transcription
Person: FOUNTAIN, Harry
Address: Summerleys Eaton Bray Dunstable
FOUNTAIN, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Nurseryman's General Labourer Beds Eaton Bray FOUNTAIN, Emily Wife Married
6 years F 37 1874 Beds Eaton Bray FOUNTAIN, Stanley Ronald Son M 2 1909 Beds Eaton Bray