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So we are still non the wiser as Henry Fountain Newman

I have found a James Fountain of the right age to be Henry's father.

1871 census - household transcription
Person: FOUNTAIN, James
Address: High Street, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Richard Head M 71 1800 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Susanna Wife F 71 1800 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, James Grandson M 19 1852 Bedfordshire

Hold the presses!

Just hear from the wife of the direct descendant and they thought he died in the Boer War. I have confirmed that there was an H. Fountain who died in 1901.

Name: FOUNTAIN, H
Rank: Private
Soldier number: 2043
Unit: 3 Battalion The Bedfordshire Regiment
Notes: [Anglo-Boer War Memorials Project] [South African Field Force. JB Hayward & Sons] 2nd battalion
Age:
Literary references:

Memorial:
In Front Of Swan Hotel. Statue. Beds Regiment & County Bedford Bedfordshire England


Casualty:
Casualty details: Disease on 10 Jun 1901 at Bloemfontein (2) (Official casualty roll location: Bloemfontein)
Unit: 3 Battalion The Bedfordshire Regiment
Source: South African Field Force. JB Hayward & Sons

So we have run out of Henry Fountains!

Charlotte

PS

Also got "fights for the King" from one of my contacts who did not have any family stories and is skeptical.

Charlotte

Robert,

I've had a possibly bright idea. With the job he had, I figure Henry/Harry Fountain Newman could write and would have signed his marriage certificate(s). Did he? If so it is probable he signed the first marriage (if it was indeed the same man) too and you could compare signatures.

What do you think?



Charlotte

Robert


You don't have to change your name by deed poll

It is quite sufficient just to begin using a different name .... as long as you do not have a criminal intent.


I left the UK in 1967, but at that time it was quite common to see a notice in the newspaper personal columns saying something like "I, John Smith, will be known as Albertus McCrombie from November 1 1950. signed John Smith, October 31 1950".



That method of doing it, or of just using the new name without any public notification, was far more common than changing your name by deed poll even in the 1960s.

I would imagine those methods were even more common in the 19thC and early 20thC




sylvia

Thanks again for all of your hard work LadyKira.
Loads to work on as regards the 'Fountains'.

Quite a few options there. My inkling is towards Henry FN originally being Henry Fountain, and then changing his name by deed poll. What is the best way of finding this out, and are there any records of such things?
Also starting to think the age on his marriage certificate, (which I have), of 29 in 1907 is correct, therefore he was born 1877-79.

At present I cannot locate a single FountainNewman anywhere in the UK, but have found someone with that surname in the USA. Have tried to make contact and awaiting a reply. May well be a dead end but on the other hand may privide some clues.

As far as I know there appear to be no living decscendants of any his siblings.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: FOUNTAIN, Harry
Address: School Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Head Widow F 44 1857 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Frank Son Single M 24 1877 Labourer Ordinary Farm
Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Harry Son Single M 20 1881 Labourer Cattleman
Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Lucy Daughter Single F 15 1886 Factory Printng Hand Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Amos Son Single M 12 1889 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Jeffery Son Single M 9 1892 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Arnott Son Single M 2 1899 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

The un readable occupation is fights for the king

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Fountain Harry Leighton B. 3b 825
Howard Emily Leighton B. 3b 825

So this one looks like son of Richard and Emma.

Spanner in the works

And there is this one


1911 census - household transcription
Person: FOUNTAIN, Harry
Address: Summerleys Eaton Bray Dunstable
FOUNTAIN, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Nurseryman's General Labourer Beds Eaton Bray FOUNTAIN, Emily Wife Married
6 years F 37 1874 Beds Eaton Bray FOUNTAIN, Stanley Ronald Son M 2 1909 Beds Eaton Bray

I know we have not found why he names James Newmanas his father.

Maybe there was an adoption or something.

Henry Fountain son of Ann and Frederick was born 1874

Henry Fountain son of Richard and Eliza born c 1881

This marriage must there fore be son of Ann and Frederick as he the other one would have been 12 years old in 1892


Marriages Sep 1892
CRIPPS Emma Leighton B. 3b 791
FOUNTAIN Henry Leighton B. 3b 791

In 1891 Henry 1874 was indeed a militia man

I do not think Henry Fountain Newman was lying about his place of birth.
If he wanted to hide it he would have been as vvague as possible, not come up with a tiny village as specific as that.

1901 census for Emma in Weymouth St.
Brothers in law checking back must be Burnham.

Anybody think that Henry may have been trying to reinvent himself.

NEW MAN

Hi everybody,

Sorry. it can't be the younger Henry/Harry as he is in the Leighton Buzzard Dis in 1911 as born 1882.

Since this man is lying about his name and his father's name, why not lie about his age? In fact I am dumfounded he didn't lie about his birthplace or maybe he did.

Has everyone tried to make out his occupation in 1901? After the first word I can make out "for the King." I think he was in the military and deserted. He has managed to hide himself in 1901 from the census takers or changed enough that I can't identify him.

I can't find a death about that time that fits.

I also have been in touch with and wll write the wife of a descendant of Emma's sister and the wife of a descendant of Henry's youngest, Eva, to see if there were any family stories.

I am related to a number of these people including Henry and Emma mostly through marriages of relatives. All the Fountains in Eaton Bray are descendants of John Fountain and Ann Gayton. In addition to fathers who were brothers, Richard and Eliza had mothers who were sisters.

Oh good Because I had so many fountains I was not sure if I got confused.

so LK you are saying that

Richard Fountain married Eliza Fountain

that they are the parents of Henry


AND that the fathers of Richard and Eliza were brothers ................... Jabez and Gadsden Fountain



seems to work out to me



sylvia

1841 Address: High Street, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Richard M 40 1801 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Susan F 40 1801 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Jabez M 15 1826 Bedfordshire <<<<Henry's paternal grandad
FOUNTAIN, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Gadsden M 12 1829 Bedfordshire <<<<<Henry's maternal grandad
FOUNTAIN, Jonas M 10 1831 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza F 8 1833 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Emma F 6 1835 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Naomi F 4 1837 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, John M 1 1840 Bedfordshire

1841 Address: Middle Green, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, William M 40 1801 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sarah F 35 1806 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Betsey F 13 1828 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Martin M 11 1830 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza F 6 1835 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Ruth F 3 1838 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Enoch M 1 1840 Bedfordshire

RICHARD FOUNTAIN Pedigree (Just when I thought it could not get more complicated)
Christening: 17 MAY 1846 Eaton Bray, Bedford, England
Parents:
Father: JESSE FOUNTAIN Family
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth or christening record
C035623

1851 Address: St Giles, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, William Head Married M 48 1803 Ag Lab Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sarah Wife Married F 48 1803 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Charles Son Unmarried M 28 1823 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Ann Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Ruth Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sabina Daughter F 5 1846
Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Frederick Son M 2 1849 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1851 Address: St Giles, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Jabez Head Married M 28 1823 Ag Lab Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<<Henry's paternal grandad
FOUNTAIN, Lousia Wife Married F 26 1825 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, William Son M 7 1844 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Richard Son M 5 1846 Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, George Son M 2 1849 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1861 Address: Eastern Side, Eaton Bray
DYER, David Head Married M 29 1832 Agricultural Labourer Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Wife Married F 27 1834 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Daughter F 1 1860 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1861 Address: Eastern Side, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, William Head Married M 58 1803 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sabrina Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Fredrick Son M 12 1849 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1861 Address: Bower Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Louisa Head Married F 39 1822 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, William Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Richard Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<<<Henry's Dad
FOUNTAIN, George Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, James Son M 4 1857 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Charles Son M 9 1852 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Edwin Son M 4 1857 Edlesborough Buckinghamshire

1861 Address: Bower Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Gaddesden Head Married M 39 1822 Agricultural Labourer Totternhoe Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Leah Wife Married F 35 1826 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Henry Son Unmarried M 11 1850 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Isaac Son M 8 1853 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Edward Son M 6 1855 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Daughter F 4 1857 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire <<<< Henry's Mum

1871 Address: Western Side, Eaton Bray
DYER, David Head M 40 1831 Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Wife F 39 1832 Bedfordshire
DYER, Betsy Daughter F 15 1856 Bedfordshire
DYER, Sarah Daughter F 12 1859 Bedfordshire
DYER, Hannah Daughter F 10 1861 Bedfordshire
DYER, George Son M 6 1865 Bedfordshire
DYER, Arthur Son M 4 1867 Bedfordshire

1871 Address: High Street, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Richard Head M 71 1800 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Susanna Wife F 71 1800 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, James Grandson M 19 1852 Bedfordshire


1871 Address: High Street, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Charles Head M 48 1823 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Sabina Sister F 24 1847 Bedfordshire


Marriages Dec 1870
DYER Ann Leighton B. 3b 831
FOUNTAIN Frederic Leighton B. 3b 831

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
FOUNTAIN Eliza Leighton Buzzard 3b 667
FOUNTAIN Richard Leighton Buzzard 3b 667


1871 Address: High Street Sun Yard, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Frederick Head M 21 1850 Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Ann Wife F 19 1852 Bedfordshire

Births Jun 1872
Fountain Rhoda Ann Leighton B 3b 445


Name: Henry Fountain
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 24 Aug 1875
Baptism/Christening Place: EATON BRAY,BEDFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 13 Nov 1874
Father's Name: Frederick Fountain
Mother's Name: Ann

Deaths Sep 1875
FOUNTAIN Frederick 31 Leighton B. 3b 257

Groom's Name: John Burnham
Groom's Birth Date: 1835
Groom's Age: 43
Bride's Name: Ann Fountain
Bride's Birth Date: 1852
Bride's Age: 26
Marriage Date: 03 Oct 1878
Marriage Place: Ivinghoe,Buckingham,England
Groom's Father's Name: Joseph Burnham
Bride's Father's Name: David Dyer

1881 Address: Bower Lane, Eaton-Bray
BURNHAM, John Head Married M 43 1838 General Labr Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Ann Wife Married F 27 1854 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
DYER, Hannah Boarder Single F 19 1862 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Walter Son Single M 17 1864 General Labr Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Joseph Son Single M 13 1868 General Labr Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Lydia Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
FOUNTAIN, Roda Step Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Ethred Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Ivinghoe Aston Buckinghamshire
FOUNTAIN, Henry Step Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire 99%)
Fountain Sabina Leighton B. 3b 649
Munn Charles Leighton B. 3b 649


1891 census Address: Gammons Lane, Eaton Bray
FOUNTAIN, Richard Head Married M 40 1851 Agricultral Labourer Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Eliza Wife Married F 34 1857 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Frank Son M 15 1876 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Harry Son M 10 1881 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire 99%)
FOUNTAIN Rhoda Ann Leighton Buzzard 3b 632
Scott Henry Gazane Leighton B. 3b 632


1891 Address: Spring Road, Bedford Eastern Ward, Kempston
EDMENDS, John Head Married M 47 1844 Retired Farmer Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, Ellen Wife Married F 28 1863 Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, John Son M 4 1887 Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, Annie C Daughter F 2 1889 Crick Northamptonshire
EDMENDS, William Son M 1 1890 Crick Northamptonshire
HORRIS, William Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Luton Bedfordshire
FOUNTAIN, Henry Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Caton Bedfordshire Bray <<<<<I think this is the older Henry
PARES, Henry Lodger Single M 16 1875 Militia Man Luton Bedfordshire
LUCK, Edward Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Redgmount Bedfordshire
HORN, Eli Lodger Single M 17 1874 Militia Man Caton Bedfordshire Bray

1891 Address: St Giles, Eaton Bray
BURNHAM, John Head Married M 53 1838 Agricultural Labourer Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Ann Wife Married F 38 1853 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Walter Son Single M 27 1864 Ag Labourer Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Lydia Daughter Single F 18 1873 Straw Plaiter Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Florrie Daughter Single F 11 1880 Straw Plaiter Ivinghoe Buckinghamshire
BURNHAM, Ernest Son M 9 1882 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, John Son M 7 1884 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Lily Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
BURNHAM, Ruth Daughter F 1 1890 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

1891 Address: Chapel Yard, Eaton Bray
COLMAN, James T Head Married M 22 1869 General Labourer Luton Bedfordshire
COLMAN, Annie E Wife Married F 23 1868 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
COLMAN, Clara E Daughter F 0 (8M) 1891 Eaton Bray Bedfordshire
CRIPPS, Emma Sister In Law F 18 1873 Straw Plaiter Eaton Bray Bedfordshire

Marriages Sep 1892
CRIPPS Emma Leighton B. 3b 791
FOUNTAIN Henry Leighton B. 3b 791 This must be the older Henry

Marriages Sep 1898
Newman Charles Leighton B. 3b 817
Nicholls Sabina Leighton B. 3b 817