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There were 3 Charles Langridge Williams. There was father and son.
That showed on one of the records I posted earlier.

GEORGE LANGRIDGE WILLIAMS Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 25 JUL 1824 Monken Hadley, London, England


Parents:
Father: GEORGE WILLIAMS Family
Mother: JUDITH


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record


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Other children of George and Judith in that parish

1. ELIZABETH MARY WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JUL 1820 Monken Hadley, London, England

2. HARRIET WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 JAN 1822 Monken Hadley, London, England

3. GEORGE LANGRIDGE WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 JUL 1824 Monken Hadley, London, England

4. WILLIAM WILLIAMS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 FEB 1842 Monken Hadley, London, England

Hi,
Have got GLW born 1792. His son GLW with 1st wife Judith, christened 1824, you just mentioned. Who is the 3rd please.
Of these 2, GLW 1792 assuming my William's father, as GLW 1824 too young, therefore GLW 1824 my William brother. Both on latest message.

Next question is where on earth is it?

History
Monken Hadley was originally a civil parish of Middlesex forming part of a small protrusion into Hertfordshire. In 1889, under the Local Government Act 1888, the civil parish was transferred to Hertfordshire. Under the Local Government Act 1894 the parish was split with a Hadley parish becoming part of the Barnet Urban District, while the remaining part of the parish became part of the East Barnet Urban District of Hertfordshire. In 1965, under the London Government Act 1963, its area was transferred to Greater London and combined with that of other districts formerly in Hertfordshire and Middlesex to form the present-day London Borough of Barnet.[1]

Please remember I do not have a tree in front of me. You are able to enter what you find into a tree and see it.


That was the first mention of Judith.

Why have you not mentioned you had her before?

The distraction I had yesterday, was a contact via the tree with a Caroline Smith. Decided wrong Caroline as her father Thomas, but she was born in Monken Hadley, same as GLW. Not that big a place, so must be a link somewhere. Wondered if Samuel and Thomas could be brothers, but, my Samuel with Caroline, Matilda and Sophia all linked to Surrey.

Got her from another helper on this thread. Not sure this works. Can you not see all my replies?

Only what you made on this thread.
You started a new thread yesterday. Why?

So so sorry. Have checked threads and found i made 3. Details on Judith on one titled George Williams begining of May.
My only excuse, though poor, is that I am new to this and didnt realise Surname look ups, trying to find look ups etc were all linked. Had wrongly assumed would be kept seperate, which is why I tried all to get some help with my confusion with family. Seem to have just made more confusion for helpers. Now I know wont happen again. Will add anything more to thread I already have.

Ok. We all have to learn and there are very few site instructions.

Would you do me a favour and copy and paste anytuing new Ie not on here and then put a post at the end referring people here.

To do that copy the url address from the top of this thread

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1221151

and paste it on the bottom of the old threads. That way other helpers will know what is happening.

Possible marriage

Name: George Williams
Spouse Name: Judith Collins
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Dec 1816
Parish: St James, Paddington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster

Name: William Williams occ Surveyor
Age: Minor
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: Matilda Smith
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Mar 1847
Address given for both: South Bank
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: George Landgridge Williams Builder
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Smith (deceased) Gentleman

Name: George Landgridge Williams Widower occ Builder
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Address: Albany St
Spouse Name: Sophia Smith Spinster
Spouse Age: Full Age
Address: South Bank
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Feb 1847
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: John Williams (deceased) Builder
Spouse Father Name: Samuel Smith (deceased) Gentleman

Witnessess: W Williams & Matilda Smith

Name: William Williams
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: Ealing, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Williams 22 occ Surveyor
Matilda Williams 25 b Richmond Surrey
Matilda Williams 3 b Marylebone
William Williams 1 b Kensington
Charles Ed Williams 10 Mo b Chelsea
Alice Nolan 29 Servant

If the 1851 census is correct then this could be George in the 1861 census.... so it looks as if Sophia has died and George has married Ann

Name: George Williams
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members:
Name Age
George Williams 69 occ Surveyor
Ann Williams 54 b Islington
Sophia Williams 12
Edith Williams 11
Porcwal Williams 11
Ann Fowler 64 Visitor

Name: George Williams widower occ Surveyor
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Spouse Name: Ann Gabriel spinster
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jul 1857
Parish: All Souls, Langham Place
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: John Williams (deceased) Builder
Spouse Father Name: Christopher Gabriel (deceased) Timber Merchant

Thanks for doing that.
It is very confusing with 2 common surnames and limited first names.

I do not know how you have been organising your data but what I do is in my notes section copy and paste every bit of data about that person in date order.

Helps keep a track of where they were and if it does not add up.
I have to go for a little while but if you feel comfortable with giving me access to your tree I will have a look and give you any observations from there.

Hi again Ladykiri,
Think I have done everything you asked. have added everything from previous thread to here.
Would be very interested in your opinion as to whether I have correct family.

All I am 100% on is that my William Williams c1828, (father George Landgridge Williams,) md 3.3.1847 to Matilda Smith, father Samuel, gentleman. Matildas age on 1851 census 25, but know this can be incorrect.

From my 1st thread I have learnt about both Caroline and Sophia, born Surrey, father Samuel. Names appear as witnesses at each others wedding. Then a Caroline Smith, Surrey md George Landgridge Williams, born 1824. So he could be my William brother. Sophia Smith, Surrey md George Landgridge Williams born 1792, which fits William and George jnr fathers details.
The baptisms you sent me of a caroline and Matilda would fit with caroline, but not my Matilda, yet they are at the same church, so are most likely sisters.
I had hoped to find them all on the 1841 census, but no luck so far. That would have at least shown them all as a family together, and their ages.
I am happy to give you access to my tree, but not sure how to from here. Some of the names we have mentioned are on there twice, as I have added the Smith sisters to my Williams, then the Smith sisters again with their father etc.

I have sent you a pm so you could give me access that way.

1891 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, William A
Address: 1, Fulbrook Road, Islington, London


WILLIAMS, William A Head Married M 41 1850 Mould Carver
Kensington
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Janet Wife Married F 36 1855
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Florence J Daughter F 13 1878
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Sidney H Son M 12 1879
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Edith M Daughter F 10 1881
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Percy E Son M 7 1884
St Pancras
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Rose M Daughter F 4 1887
St Pancras
London