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Kevin

Kevin Report 12 May 2010 20:27

Matilda was common name in the south in those days

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 12 May 2010 20:32

So do all the girls have the same fathers name and give similar occupations for him.?

If so then that should help to sway it for you a bit..

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 20:35

Name: Caroline Smith
Spouse Name: George Langridge Williams
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Oct 1845
Parish: St John, Hampstead
County: Middlesex
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Samuel Smith
Spouse Father Name: George Langridge Williams

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 20:35

Name: Matilda Smith
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: William Williams
Spouse Age: Minor
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Mar 1847
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Samuel Smith
Spouse Father Name: George Landgridge Williams

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 20:36

Name: Sophia Smith
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: George Landgridge Williams
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Feb 1847
Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Father Name: Samuel Smith
Spouse Father Name: John Williams

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 20:41

Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)

SMITH Caroline Edmonton 3 97
WILLIAMS George Langridge Edmonton 3 97

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 20:41

Deaths Sep 1871 (>99%)
Williams George Langridge 79 Islington 1b 205

so born c1792

gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 20:44

Thanks so much ladykiri.
Those all confirm for me that tree is correct.
The ages are so different which is what was confusing me and making me doubt it all.
Thanks again to everyone for your help. What a mixed up family I come from. Caroline and Matilda md brothers William and George. Sophia md their father George snr. William and Matilda were my g g grandparents.

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 12 May 2010 20:58

As Caroline married in St John Hampstead, this is possibly the 3 girls with their mother in 1841.....although it does say all born in County.


1841 England Census
about Matilda Smith
Name: Matilda Smith
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St John Hampstead
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:.....Atley Cottage???

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Smith 50....Ind
Sophia Smith 19
Matilda Smith 18
Caroline Smith 16
Elen Welsh 30


LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 20:59

this still does not make sense to me.
The dates of the marriage are also estimated birth dates

unless

georges son George
marries Caroline Smith
Event Date: 7 Oct 1845


george marries
Event Date: 24 Feb 1847
Sophia Smith

georges son William marries sister
Event Date: 3 Mar 1847
Matilda Smith

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 21:07

1861 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Matilda
Address: 20, Samford Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone
WILLIAMS, William Head M 46 1815 Carter
St Georges VIEW
WILLIAMS, Matilda Wife Married F 36 1825 Laundress

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 12 May 2010 21:24

When the spouses ages are down as "full"on marriage cert Ancestry always for some stupid reason assign the same year as marriage to the age,why not just put age NK on transcript beats me.
But that is Ancestry for you..

gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 21:45

Thanks. This certainly looks like them. Sophias age doesnt tally with the 1851 census though, as this makes her born 1822 where as in census she is 39yrs old, making yr of birth 1812. (In 1851 her husband would have been 59 and Sophia just 29!!??) Census ages are often out though arent they. Also could there be 2 families , mothers possibly widowed, with daughters called Matilda, Sophia and Caroline. Unlikely surely.
Also it would mean the possible birth of Sophia that was found is also incorrect as on there it states mothers name as Sophia.
Getting confused again

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 21:48

Could you post the census info you have please

gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 21:49

Thanks for this but believe this is other William and Matilda I mentioned. Found them on 1851 census as household 371. had different childrens names.
Mine lived at Grafton Rd, St Pancreas in 1861.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 21:52

It is helpful to post everything you know so I do not waste my time looking for what you already know.

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 12 May 2010 21:52

The image for the 1841 census that I posted is not very clear. Sophia may well have been 29, not 19.

Edit: Posted on page 2 of this thread.

gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 21:53

Please let me know if you think this is oncorrect. Thanks.

1851

Name: George Williams
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Hadley, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 197
Household Members: Name Age
George Williams 49
Sophia Williams 39
Sophia Williams 2 5 Mo
Edith Williams 1 3 Mo
Percival Williams 1 3 Mo
Jane McNalh 19
Ann Lee 15



gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 21:55

Really sorry. Know so many odd bits of info, not sure what is and what isnt correct.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 22:06

more info on FMP

1851 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, George
Address: Greenwich Road, Greenwich
WILLIAMS, George Head Married M 49 1802 Builder
Hadley
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Sophia Wife Married F 39 1812
Kennington
Surrey VIEW
WILLIAMS, Sophia Daughter F 2 (2 YRS 6 MOS) 1849
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Edith Daughter F 1 (15 MOS) 1850
Woolwich
Kent VIEW
WILLIAMS, Percival Son M 1 (15 MOS) 1850
Woolwich
Kent VIEW
MCNALLY, Jane Servant Unmarried F 19 1832
Ireland VIEW
LEE, Ann Servant Unmarried F 15 1836
Greenwich
Kent


If george Langride Williams was born c1792 and he married Sophia this is probably not him