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Hi wonder if anyone can help, I am trying to find the children of James and Emily Simcock, wed at Bucknall, Norton Parish,Stoke-on-Trent in 1859 when he was 19 and Emily was 17.
They lived in the Norton in the Moors area and are buried at St Bartholomews, Norton in the Moors
I already know James and Emily had one son, William my gt grandfather, born in 1866 and died in 1937 he married an Ellen Bailey 1869 to 1941.
I feel there must be more children cos they usually had big families in those days but I'm blowed if I can find any.
Any suggestions,
Thanks

Hi,Think this is your James and Emily.

1861 census - household transcription
Person: SIMCOCK, James
Address: Smallthorne, Norton

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Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
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SIMCOCK, James Head Married M 20 1841 Coal Miner
Norton
Staffordshire VIEW
SIMCOCK, Emily Wife Married F 18 1843 Formerly Nurse
Norton
Staffordshire VIEW
SIMCOCK, Laura A Daughter F 0 (3M) 1861
Norton
Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
1945 Folio:
61 Page:
50

Registration District:
Leek Sub District:
1 Norton EnumerationDistrict:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Saviours Smallthorne

Civil Parish:
Norton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Smallthorne, Norton County:
Staffordshire



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1871

SIMCOCK, James Head M 30 1841 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, Emily Wife F 27 1844 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, Alice Daughter F 10 1861 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, Ellen Daughter F 7 1864 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, Mary Daughter F 4 1867 Staffordshire
DAVIES, William Boarder M 21 1850 Staffordshire

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2878 Folio:
45 Page:
10

Registration District:
Leek Sub District:
Norton EnumerationDistrict:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Norton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Leek Road, Norton County:
Staffordshire


No sign of William

Looks like Laura has died will look for the death.


1871 census - household transcription
Person: SIMCOCK, James
Address: Leek Road, Norton

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SIMCOCK, James Head M 30 1841 Staffordshire VIEW
SIMCOCK, Emily Wife F 27 1844 Staffordshire VIEW
SIMCOCK, Alice Daughter F 10 1861 Staffordshire VIEW
SIMCOCK, Ellen Daughter F 7 1864 Staffordshire VIEW
SIMCOCK, Mary Daughter F 4 1867 Staffordshire VIEW
DAVIES, William Boarder M 21 1850 Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2878 Folio:
45 Page:
10

Registration District:
Leek Sub District:
Norton EnumerationDistrict:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Norton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Leek Road, Norton County:
Staffordshire

1881 England Census
about James Simcock
Name: James Simcock
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Smallthorne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Leek Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Simcock 60
Emily Simcock 37
Annie Simcock 9
Albert Simcock 7
Emma Simcock 4
Levinia Simcock 2
Lois Simcock
James Clowes 23

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Laura's birth:

Name: Laura Alice Simcock
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leek
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 219 (click to see others on page)

I can't find any mention of her after 1861 though...

Have we actually found William with James and Emily on a census? How do we know that they are actually connected?

Any chance he's this one instead?
1871 Ancestry
Name: William Simcock
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Endon
Ecclesiastical parish: Endon
Town: Endon
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
James Simcock 35
Harriett Simcock 32
Enoch Simcock 7
William Simcock 5
Roseanna Simcock 2
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2878; Folio: 14; Page: 22

Maureen

I can't find William with parents James and Emily, only this one:

1871 England Census
about William Simcock
Name: William Simcock
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Norton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Endon
Ecclesiastical parish: Endon
Town: Endon
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
James Simcock 35
Harriett Simcock 32
Enoch Simcock 7
William Simcock 5
Roseanna Simcock 2

Someone has her in their tree on ancestry:

Ivory Family Tree
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4 attached records, 4 sources
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Name: Laura Alice Simcock
Birth: Abt 1861

4 attached records, 4 sources
Laura Alice Simcock Joel Clowes James Simcock Emily Heath or Kirk
Laura Alice Simcock
Birth: Abt 1861
Spouse: Joel Clowes
F: James Simcock

M: Emily Heath or Kirk

If you look at 1881 census there is a James Clowes, so the two families must have known each other.

Yes, I was wondering about that one, Maureen and Madmeg. I think we'll have to wait for Pauline to clarify some points.

Are you sure you have the right parents for William?

There is this one in 1871

SIMCOCK, James Head M 35 1836 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, Harriett Wife F 32 1839 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, Enoch Son M 7 1864 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, William Son M 5 1866 Staffordshire
SIMCOCK, Roseanna Daughter F 2 1869 Staffordshire

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
2878 Folio:
14 Page:
22

Registration District:
Leek Sub District:
Norton EnumerationDistrict:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Endon Municipal Borough:
Address:
Blue Stone Cottages, Endon County:
Staffordshire

Hi Sue in Leeds and Sue C, blimey you guys are quick lol, the names Mary and Ellen could be significant because my grandfather always use to call me Mary Ellen, never could understand were he got it from but maybe these ladies were his aunts and I realize they are two different people but maybe if these two were his aunts could I have borne a resemblance to them hence him calling me by their names.
And also its amazing that Emily was a nurse because I am in nursing too

David.

I think the 1881 censu is wrong as James was only 2 yrs older than Emily.

Thats why I deleted mine,

Sue C, the James and Harriett aren't my James, I did look at those two because the cottage "Blue Stone" was mentioned by a family member but then this was found to be a mistake and it was another cottage which was being referd to and I do know that the Enoch mentioned in your post is buried at St Lukes in Endon as I spoke to some residents of the area at a WW1 memorial service

There's this birth:

Births Jun 1866 (>99%)
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Simcock William Leek 6b 254

Unfortunately both James's found by folks are coal miners.

So the next question Pauline is do you have the marriage cert of your gt grandfather William, I assume his father was James, a coal miner, but who were the witnesses who might give us a clue as to which James we are looking for.

Is this the marriage and do you have the certificate for them..

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%)
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Heath Emily Leek 6b 364
Ryles George Frederick Leek 6b 364
Simcock James Leek 6b 364
Tranfield Georgiana Leek 6b 364

Sue,
If you look at the original census image, it's very poor and very unclear, so I think it's an error in transcription. It's quite easy to misread 57 as 37.
David

David, Emily's father was a Thomas Kirk and I have his wife as a Mary surname unknown I did wonder if Emily had been born out of wedlock and had kept her mothers surname

But James and Emily have no son William in sight. James and Harriet do. And there is only one birth in Staffordshire at the right time.

Why did you think his parents were James and Emily in the first place?

You need that marriage certificate to see if the witnesses are useful.

Hi Madmeg you've helped me before, no I don't have a birth cert for William but on my grandfather marriage cert he is named as William Simcock of Waterfall Farm and as far as I can ascertain it was located at Basnetts Wood Endon, unfortunately the farm is no longer there now , Stoke-on-Trent, and we are a family of coal miners.
William married an Ellen Bailey June 9th 1889 and the witnesses were a Alfred (looks like) Harvey and Hannah Bailey a sister of Ellen's, they were wed at St Chads, parish of Bagnall, sorry I have just added the last piece of info after looking at my folder and finding the marriage cert, should have got it out sooner