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So, is this Benjamin and son James in 1861:
1861 England Census
about Benjamin Simcock Name: Benjamin Simcock
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lettina Simcock
Gender: Male
Where born: Horton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Horton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image
Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Leek
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Simcock 58 Labourer
Lettina Simcock 60 (Could be Letitia)
James Simcock 23 Labourer
Henry Simcock 20
Hannah Simcock 35
Ann Simcock 9 G/Daughter
Caroline Simcock 5 G/Daughter
There's a tree on Ancestry with this family. Lettina is Lettice Bailey according to that.
1851 England Census
about Beniamin Simcock Name: Beniamin Simcock
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lettice Simcock
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Norton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Horton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Beniamin Simcock 51
Lettice Simcock 51
Hannah Simcock 24
Enoch Simcock 19
Henry Simcock 8
No James on that.
1841 England Census
about Benjamin Simcock Name: Benjamin Simcock
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Horton
Hundred: North Totmonslow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Leek
Sub-registration district: Leek
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Simcock 40
Lether Simcock 40 (definitely says Lettice)
John Simcock 13
Hugh Simcock 7
James Simcock 2
Harriot Simcock 9
These are from the tree on Ancestry. Do you have an Ancestry subscription? If not, would you like me to contact this person on your behalf, to make contact?
Seems a likely match.
The tree has James Simcock marrying Harriet Hancock. There are parents for Benjamin Simcock.
JUst be careful in accepting another person's research, however attractive it might seem. This person has posted no sources for their research, so you need to confirm what they have got. But it could be a good starting point.
Best of luck
Meg
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Hi Meg, just wanted to let you know I have just read your post but I am just off to work(couldn't resist a quick look) so I will send a better reply to night when I get home.
Magic to see you
Pauline
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Hi Meg, sorry about not giving much info I was just rushing off to work.
I have certificates in front of me right now one is Williams birth cert it says:
Date of Birth: 7th May 1866
Name and Surname of Father: James Simcock
Name and Surname of Mother: Harriet Simcock formally Hancock
Occupation of Father: Coal Miner
Signature,description and residence of informant: X, mark of Harriet Simcock mother Brown Edge (looks like) Norton
When registered: 29th May.
I then went on to get James and Harriets marriage cert and that says
When Married: 26th August 1861
Name and Surnames: James Simcock, Rank or Profession: Miner
Harriet Hancock Both are age 23
Condition: Bachelor
Spinster
The Residence at the time of Marriage: Horton
Fathers Name and Surname: Benjamin Simcock, Laborer
Enoch Hancock,Miner
Witnesses: Henry Simcock
Hannah (looks like) Mumford, (she made an X) presumably she couldn't write.
So what do you think, is there enough info to say that Benjamin is Jame's father. I think, you may be right that his mother is Lettice.
If all this proves to be correct I would like to get in touch with the person on Ancestry if you think this could be of help(I trust your judgment)
Many thanks
Pauline
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I can't think of much else you can prove. There are no extracted baptisms on Family Search. There's a submitted marriage of Benjamin to Lettice Bailey (another Bailey!) at Horton, 10 Dec 1825
I wish we could find him in 1851 - there is a James age 11 born Horton living with mother Jane - and a bloomin lodger Hannah Bailey (again!), in Macclesfield, but they are also there in 1841. I'm a bit bothered by that family, might take a closer look.
I contacted one of the two tree owners on Ancestry (the one that looked the best!).
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Thanks Meg I wait to see if they will contact me and let you know what happens.
Lettice, I thought she was a Pointon, perhaps I was wrong.
Pauline
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Not sure now, I think I must have seen someones tree, its the very thing you warned about
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Meg, got my notes out and found out why I thought Lettice was a Pointon, it seems she may have been married twice once to Benjamin and once to a James Bailey and that Pointon was her single name.
What are your thoughts and other than finding out where she and Ben were married and visiting the church to verify this can you think of another way of knowing if they were married.
And if she were married to Jame first whats the chances that some of her children could be his.
Pauline
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