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It just say sarah 11 female servant and I take it her brother is a blacksmith. Have you got Bennett's then?

I was wondering if Richard was William's brother? Or cousin?

Gooing off now as it's late night all.

Mel

Yes oon one census I looked at William was down as Blacksmith employing one man.

So I have this Rogers family, they had more children after 1881,

Herbert 1883, Frederick 1886, Emily 1887 and Lucy 1890.

The older sister Eva Jane moved to Manchester, married there and moved to Morecambe.

Now according to MIL, (who was at least vague, and often wrong), the sister Lucy also settled in Morecambe, having married a man surname Leigh, they had a son Norman, who MIL disliked because 'of the way he treated his mother'. Norman married and had a son in about 1951.

I cannot find a marriage for Lucy in freeBMD, well, there is one in Eastry, but that couple have a number of children born around the same time as Norman, 1924.
Nor can I find a death for Lucy which was probably in the late 1950's/early sixties.

So I'm looking for a marriage for Lucy Rogers to Mr Leigh, a marriage for Norman Leigh who had a son about 1951, a death for Lucy Leigh.

Can anyone help please?

I've managed to sort out Lucy now, but have another query.

OH and his sis remember an auntie Elsie, apparently sis to Eva. However I have no evidence of an Elsie in this family. There is Alice E, and I suppose it might turn out to be her after all. The only Elsie Rogers born around that time was in Oswestry, and I don't think it's her.

But now we've found a postcard in MIL's stuff. It's a photo of the old Smithy (I've been there, it's a house now). The card was posted in Whitchurch, in 1938, and says
'Dear Eva, just been through the old homestead which is now empty. Just going to see mother's grave. Love Elsie and Will'

So Elsie does appear to be Eva's sis, there is no brother Will so she's not a sis in law.

I have censuses, in 1901, mother Jane was a widow with a blacksmith business, and some of her children were living with her. Jane must have moved to Manchester soon after with some of her daughters, as she remarries the same year a Frederick C Mason. In 1911 they live in Gorton with Lucy. Eva also lives in the Manchester area, having married in 1906.

Can anyone shed any light on where Elsie fits in please?

Is this the correct family?


Name:
Eva Rodgers
Age:10
Estimated birth year:abt 1881
Relation:Granddaughter
Father's name:John Rodgers
Mother's name:Jane Rodgers
Gender:Female
Where born:Prees, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish:Prees
Ecclesiastical parish:Fauls
County/Island:Shropshire
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district:Wem
Sub registration district:Prees
ED, institution, or vessel:7
Neighbors:
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Piece:2124
Folio:55
Page Number:7
Household Members:
Name
Age


William Rodgers 82
John Rodgers 51
Jane Rodgers 40
John Rodgers 16
Alice Rodgers 14
George Rodgers 12
Eva Rodgers 10
Herbert Rodgers 8
Frederick Rodgers 5
Emily Rodgers 4
Lucy Rodgers 1

Andy

Yes, that 'em!

1901

No other children

Jane Rogers 50
John Rogers 25
George Rogers 22
Herbert Rogers 17
Frederick Rogers 15
Emily Rogers 14
Lucy Rogers 10

Andy

Thanks for looking Andy.

wonder if you're interested in this site??

I added OH's gt grandfather who was a blacksmith in Wales, and got one contact back from it


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/index.htm

also, I wonder if "Elsie" was a pet name for one of the sisters?

My nan was Edith May but always called May. I wonder if Alice was Elsie?

Thanks for the blacksmith link, I have had it before.

I did wonder about Alice E, maybe get her birth cert. Or has her name been misheard Aliceee=Elsiee.

I did wonder last night if maybe Elsie was a cousin, I'm just presuming that she was a sis. But the father and uncle were both blacksmiths, and a number of other cousins were from Sandford. Sandford is a tiny place, not much there apart from the Hall and the Smithy, so I would think that anyone from there with that name was related.

The PC also fits for Elsie as Eva's niece, it seems to me.
I could quite see me sending that message on a PC to my aunt.

Thanks, mgnv, that's something I hadn't considered, though OH and his sis say that auntie Elsie was an old lady, similar to grandma Eva.

I've found a 1911 census record for Elsie Rogers age 24 born 1887 Sandford, Fouls (should be Fauls). She is living in Caernarvonshire, as a lodger, I think. Would someone kindly check this for me, and see if there's anything for her in an earlier census? Thank you.

hmmmmmmmm

here is the 1911 census

1911 Census

Name: Elsie Rogers
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Sister <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sandford Fouls, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Llandudno cum Eglwys-Rhos
Search Photos: Search for 'Llandudno cum Eglwys-Rhos' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: The Terns Maelgwyn Road Llandudno
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Conway
Registration District Number: 632
Sub-registration district: Llandudno
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Household schedule number: 303
Piece: 34539

Harry Parker 34 b.ca 1877, Blackpool. Lancashire, Architects Assistant on the Mostyn Estate
Alice Parker 34 b.ca 1877, Sandford Fouls
Elsie Rogers 24


No occupations shown for the women

Alice married 8 years, no children

??? if this is the marriage

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)

Parker Harry Conway 11b 875
Rogers Alice Ann Conway 11b 875

I'm sorry ............... but I had such a good laugh at this family tree


Alice Anne Rogers
Birth: January 1878 (Jan 1878) - Shropshire, England
Death: Dec 1934 - Southport, Lancashire, England
Marriage: Mar 1938 - Ormskirk, Lancashire
Spouse: Samuel Carridge


found while checking if it was the one who married Harry Parker :-D :-D :-D :-D

So that would indicate that Elsie might be a sister to Alice E Rogers born 1877?
I'll check freebmd

Andrew found the 1891 Census, this is the same family in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Alice E. Rogers
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Rogers
Mother: Jane Rogers
Gender: Female
Where born: Prees, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Prees
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: Blacksmiths Shop

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Wem
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Piece: 2669
Folio: 63
Page Number: 4

John Rogers 42
Jane Rogers 30
Mary Rogers 7
John Rogers 5
Alice E. Rogers 4
George Rogers 2
Eva J. Rogers
Hannah Wilson 13 Servant


William Rogers is also in the household, showing on the image as Head ........ but has not been transcribed with them

Thanks Sylvia, you're quicker than me!