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Name: John Rogers
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Jane Rogers
Gender: Male
Where born: Prees, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Prees
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: Blacksmiths Shop
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Blacksmith
Registration district: Wem
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2669
Folio: 63
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rogers 42
Jane Rogers 30
Mary Rogers 7
John Rogers 5
Alice E. Rogers 4
George Rogers 2
Eva J. Rogers
Hannah Wilson 13


Andy

Brilliant, many thanks, Andrew!

Name: John Rogers
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Rogers
Gender: Male
Where born: Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Town: Deritend
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 3135
Folio: 79
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rogers 32
Jane Rogers 20


This appears to be first child

ROGERS, MARY VIOLA KEEN
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in WHITCHURCH Volume 06A Page 766

Andy

So, I found the family from Blackpool, have been in touch, and the son remembers visiting Gt Auntie Eva and playing with OH and his sis. He reckons to have sorted the family tree, but there's a few bits I have doubts about.

Would someone kindly check the 1871 census again for me, there seem to be a number of couples to choose from.

John Rogers born 1839 Sandford, Shropshire
Jane Keen born 1851 Sibford Gower, Oxfordshire.
They married in Birmingham Q3 1870.
May have had a child in 1871 who died young, presumably too late for the census.
Had a daughter in 1873 in Ightfield, Shropshire

I've just checked on what MIL said about Alice, (all taken with a pinch of salt!)

'Had a daughter who had a son. Lived in Blackpool'

I've found a daughter born in Conway in 1917, and a death for Alice in Blackpool in 1958.

this is from familysearch


Wales, Caernarvonshire, Parish Registers

Name Harry Parker
Event Type Marriage Banns
Event Date 22 Mar 1903
Event Place Llandinorwig, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Spouse's Name Alice Annie Rogers


Name Harry Parker
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 09 Apr 1903
Event Place Llandudno, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Age 26
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Spouse's Name Alice Annie Rogers

Thanks Sylvia, you're quicker than me!

Andrew found the 1891 Census, this is the same family in 1881

1881 Census

Name: Alice E. Rogers
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Rogers
Mother: Jane Rogers
Gender: Female
Where born: Prees, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Prees
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address: Blacksmiths Shop

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Wem
ED, institution, or vessel: 7

Piece: 2669
Folio: 63
Page Number: 4

John Rogers 42
Jane Rogers 30
Mary Rogers 7
John Rogers 5
Alice E. Rogers 4
George Rogers 2
Eva J. Rogers
Hannah Wilson 13 Servant


William Rogers is also in the household, showing on the image as Head ........ but has not been transcribed with them

So that would indicate that Elsie might be a sister to Alice E Rogers born 1877?
I'll check freebmd

I'm sorry ............... but I had such a good laugh at this family tree


Alice Anne Rogers
Birth: January 1878 (Jan 1878) - Shropshire, England
Death: Dec 1934 - Southport, Lancashire, England
Marriage: Mar 1938 - Ormskirk, Lancashire
Spouse: Samuel Carridge


found while checking if it was the one who married Harry Parker :-D :-D :-D :-D

??? if this is the marriage

Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)

Parker Harry Conway 11b 875
Rogers Alice Ann Conway 11b 875

hmmmmmmmm

here is the 1911 census

1911 Census

Name: Elsie Rogers
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Sister <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Sandford Fouls, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Llandudno cum Eglwys-Rhos
Search Photos: Search for 'Llandudno cum Eglwys-Rhos' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Caernarvonshire
Country: Wales
Street address: The Terns Maelgwyn Road Llandudno
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Conway
Registration District Number: 632
Sub-registration district: Llandudno
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Household schedule number: 303
Piece: 34539

Harry Parker 34 b.ca 1877, Blackpool. Lancashire, Architects Assistant on the Mostyn Estate
Alice Parker 34 b.ca 1877, Sandford Fouls
Elsie Rogers 24


No occupations shown for the women

Alice married 8 years, no children

Thanks, mgnv, that's something I hadn't considered, though OH and his sis say that auntie Elsie was an old lady, similar to grandma Eva.

I've found a 1911 census record for Elsie Rogers age 24 born 1887 Sandford, Fouls (should be Fauls). She is living in Caernarvonshire, as a lodger, I think. Would someone kindly check this for me, and see if there's anything for her in an earlier census? Thank you.

The PC also fits for Elsie as Eva's niece, it seems to me.
I could quite see me sending that message on a PC to my aunt.

Thanks for the blacksmith link, I have had it before.

I did wonder about Alice E, maybe get her birth cert. Or has her name been misheard Aliceee=Elsiee.

I did wonder last night if maybe Elsie was a cousin, I'm just presuming that she was a sis. But the father and uncle were both blacksmiths, and a number of other cousins were from Sandford. Sandford is a tiny place, not much there apart from the Hall and the Smithy, so I would think that anyone from there with that name was related.

My nan was Edith May but always called May. I wonder if Alice was Elsie?

also, I wonder if "Elsie" was a pet name for one of the sisters?

wonder if you're interested in this site??

I added OH's gt grandfather who was a blacksmith in Wales, and got one contact back from it


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/index.htm

Thanks for looking Andy.

1901

No other children

Jane Rogers 50
John Rogers 25
George Rogers 22
Herbert Rogers 17
Frederick Rogers 15
Emily Rogers 14
Lucy Rogers 10

Andy