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Hi Cherilyn

Please can you check your Australian records for:
Albert Leonard NEW b 1884 Newbury Berks...mother Ellen New

Last noted on 1911 census -living with Uncle John & Aunt Fanny NEW.

He MAY have accompanied them to Australia shortly after 1911.

Would appreciate anything you can find! Thanks - Valerie (WAus)

Hi Valerie, sorry i can't see him emigrating to Australia.

A Mrs F. & Mr J. New came to NSW in 1930 aboard Otranto but he wasn't listed with them.

PS Their intended address was Bankstown - possible death for John NEW in that located in 1939 aged 74.

EDIT: Yes that was his death: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17601896
His wife died in 1947 - https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18045518

THANK YOU Cherilyn - I/we appreciate all the searching involved! That's great - very kind of you.

Thanks again - Valerie

Hi Cherilyn - I'm back again re same family. Please -if/when you have a chance -could you check some more?

Apparently Mrs F and Mr J New came out (firstly) in 1912 -then when retired made a trip back (you found them 1930) ('yes' that was his death 1939)

These relatives came out too - about same time -c1911+ (poss. to Bankstown.)

Charles NEW (b1854) + son Charles Edmund NEW
PLUS
2 brothers John & Daniel NEW (b1876)

We would appreciate you having another go for us. Thanks again - Valerie

Can't see their emigration but found these in Ryerson Index

NEW Charles Edmund
Death notice 20AUG1951
Death aged 74 at Belmore,
late of Lakemba, formerly of Bankstown
Sydney Morning Herald 21AUG1951
(NSW BDM 21581/1951 as Charles Edmond - son of Charles and Phoebe)

Maybe?
NEW Charles Death notice
26JUL1937
Death aged 73 at Camden
Sydney Morning Herald 27JUL1937
(BDM 16933/1937 - son of James & Mary Ann)

NEW Daniel Death notice
30JUN1960
Death aged 84, late of Harveys Bay Woy Woy and Greenacre
Sydney Morning Herald 01JUL1960
(BDM 26855/1960 - son of John)

NEW John
Death notice 05JUL1939
Death aged 74 at Bankstown
Sydney Morning Herald 06JUL1939
(BDM 18492/1939 - son of John & Helen)

NEW Elizabeth Mary
Death notice 07APR1945
Death at Canterbury Hospital, late of Atterbury, Bankstown West
Sydney Morning Herald 09APR1945

Notices

NEW, Charles Edmund --August 20,1951, at a private hospital, and of 150 Lakemba Street, formerly of Bankstown, loved husband of the late Elizabeth
M. New and loved father of Nellie (Mrs. Evans) Albert, Phoebe (Mrs. Hopkins) and Edmund. Aged 74 years.
(Funeral - C of E, Rookwood)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18220248

NEW.—April 7, 1945, suddenly, at Canterbury Hospital, Elizabeth Mary, dearly beloved wife of Charles Edmund New, of Atterbury, 63 Little Road, Bankstown West, and loved mother of Nellie (Mrs. A. Evans), Albert, Phoebe (Mrs. A. Hopkins), and Walter.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17940770

DEATH.
NEW. — July 26, 1937 (suddenly) at the residence of Mr. R. D. Holdsworth, Mitchell Street, Camden, Charles New, father of Stanley and Selby. Aged 73 years. At rest.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/140597807
(No mention of Chas jnr?)

Many thanks Cherilyn - you have been busy - I shall pass this on. This info will now help confirm some of their queries. Much appreciated (as always) ....Valerie

Edmund W (presumably Walter) NEW, son of Charles E and Elizabeth M NEW was born in 1913 so they were definitely in NSW by then (30227/1913).

Marriage NSW
1258/1920 EVANS ALBERT NEW NELLIE E M CANTERBURY
959/1932 HOPKINS ALFRED E NEW PHOEBE A CANTERBURY

Many thanks again Cherilyn - for all your findings - every piece most appreciated.

Valerie

Hi Cherilyn, I am hoping you might be able to find a birth for a William (Snowling) Stearn,his parents were William Snowling Stearn born 1821 & Catherine Fleming born abt 1842 they married 30/12/1862 at St Stephens Toodjay (Formally Newcastle)
William Jnr was born abt 1863 in WA (Died 20/7/1948 in East malvern Victoria aged 85 years)
I finally found after many years searching there departure from Perth for Sydney on the "Kestral" under the name of Fibbs- William, Catherine, William, He was a convict maybe why they changed their name for the passage, as they finally ended up in Wangaratta under the Stearn name

Many Thanks Ellen

Hi Ellen

Sorry I can't see any births with mother as Fleming in that period, or any Ste*/Stearn/e...however, this appears to be the death of another son, born c1876. You may know of him just just in case...

Surname Stearn
Given name Joseph
Male
Age 82
Father William S
Mother Catherine
District Swan
Reg 116
Year 1957

He was a miner in Coolgardie c1917 according to NAA RecordSearch
Stearn, Joseph; age 42; address - Coolgardie WA [occupation - miner]

P.S. It is spelled Toodyay :)

EDIT: Joseph was born in Wangaratta in 1876 (reg 12838, mother's maiden name as FLEMMING)

This may be why he left WA in 1864
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3366913

Wm jnr's death notice in an SA newspaper 'News' on 21 July 1948
STEARN.-On July 20, at the residence of his daughter, East Malvern, Victoria, William, beloved husband of the late Alice Edwina Steam, and loving father of Muriel, Len, Millie, Thelma. Bessie. Mary, and Lorna. Re-united.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/129903548

Is this your tree, Ellen?
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/d/o/n/Martin-Donnellan-Victoria/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0109.html

If so there is an error for Ann's death (known as Annie). She married and had children in Victoria around the Wangaratta area. She died in Beechworth, Victoria in 1958 aged 89 - error for mother's name. I notice her place of birth given is the same as for Wm jnr's.

Registration number 26315
Registration year 1958
Family name JOHNSON
Given names Annie
Sex Female
Father's name STEARNE William
Mother's name Annie (Unknown)
Place of birth MULWALA NEW SOUTH WALES
Place of death BEECHWORTH
Age 89

You may be able to find out more here:
https://www.beechworthcemetery.com.au/family-history-research.html

Also there is no record of Thomas Alfred STEARN's death in WA as noted on the above tree.

Okay I've been snooping around and I can see there is a claim that Thomas Alfred STEARN changed his name to WEST and went from Victoria to WA.

And there is a death reg for an Alfred WEST in Murray district in 1945 (reg 34).

But there are a few things that don't add up. Firstly although some of his notices say Thomas William Alfred WEST (his eldest son's name - above tree has him as Alfred), he was 87 when he died, making him born c1858, not 1867 - a significant difference! Was he actually 78? https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/51765973

The births of his children with Bridget Ann NEVILLE (b. 1874) all show him as simply Alfred WEST. Bridget had been previously married to Hugh McALEER in 1889 (reg 3333); he died in 1891.

He and Bridget are both at Dwellingup cemetery - he is as Thomas Alfred WEST
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/Murray/dwellingup.htm

Bridget's death and funeral notice: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/49064346

Do you have his marriage and/or death certificate?

A few gaps filled in -
Collie Cemetery
MCGOWAN , Myrtle Marion. 24 May 1976. Aged 82 years. Anglican O.30 (husband George Alexander is also there)
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/Collie/c_mike.htm

Thomas William Alfred WEST's death notices - 1938 as Alfred, reg as Thomas Wm Alfred
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/41662242
He is at Dwellingup Cemetery too (as Alf I assume)

William Snowling WEST died in 1969 aged 63 (reg 866). Possibly the Bill WEST at Dwellingu cemetery.

PS Funny coincidence as my husband's direct paternal line were in Holyoake in the early 1900s too!

Merry Christmas everyone :-)

;-)

My sister and I are stuck on finding anything on Samuel Gill our great great grandfather and his wife.

His son Alexander Robertson Gill married Elizabeth Bender....In NSW.

They had our grandmother Elspeth Glafys Gill.. My nan and her siblings were left orphaned. Their mum died first then their dad died some time later leaving a son Les and daughters Annie, Minnie, and our Nan at get young age

Alexander and Elizabeth are buried at the old cemetery at Woodburn, NSW, Australia.


Any help would be really appreciated.

On Alexander death cert it gives Samuel for his dad but no Mum is named. Death for Alex was 1923.

Do you know if Alexander was born in Australia or not?

There's this emigration record:

Alexander Gill
in the New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
Name: Alexander Gill
Birth Year: abt 1878
Age: 6
Gender: Male
Arrival Date: 13 Jan 1884
Vessel Name: Selkirkshire

Travelling with father Samuel 34 (possibly 24); mother Ann G, 28; sisters Elsie 9, and Ann 6.
All born Aberdeen, Scotland.


POSSIBLE birth:

GILL
ALEXANDER ROBER[tson]
M
1877
168/1 924
St Nicholas

Birth of sister Elsie:

GILL
ELSIE
F
1874
168/1 1319
St Nicholas


Possible marriage of parents - although maybe not - it's after Alexander's birth!:

GILL
SAMUEL
GORDON
ANN
1882
168/2 364
Old Machar


??? Just maybe ??

Alexander R Gill
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Alexander R Gill
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
Registration Number: 185
Registration district: Cruden
Civil Parish: Cruden
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Easter Auquharney
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 7
Line: 11
Roll: cssct1881_57
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Gill 55
Elizabeth O Gill 57
Mary Gill 13
Alexander R Gill 3
Elizabeth O Gill 3 Mo


Birth of sister Elizabeth:

GILL
ELIZABETH OGSTO[n]
F
1880
168/1 962
St Nicholas

And her death:

GILL
ELIZABETH OGSTO[n]
0
1881
185/ 19
Cruden


The grandparents in 1851 with (possibly ) Alexander's father Samuel:


Samuel Gill
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Samuel Gill
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Elisebeth Gill
Gender: Male
Where born: King Edward
Parish Number: 241
Civil Parish: Strichen
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Strichen
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: West Street
Occupation: Agricultarel Labourer
ED: 7
Page: 40
Household schedule number: 238
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_51
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Gill 25
Elisebeth Gill 28
Samuel Gill 3
William Gill 5 Mo

He's not with his parents after 1851.


Samuel's birth:

Samuel Gill
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name: Samuel Gill
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 Dec 1848
Birth Place: Strichen,Aberdeen,Scotland
Father: Samuel Gill
Mother: Elisabeth Ogston
FHL Film Number: 993300