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I would like to find about more about my ancesters. My father was John born 1916, he had a twin brother Thomas and a sister Maggie and was married to Hilda, his father was Thomas born 1984 , he was one of 3 married to Elizabeth Simm, my great grandfather was Thomas born 1958 who was possibly one of 10 married to Ann Darbyshire, his father was Joseph born 1836 married to Ellen Simm.

you seem to already know quite a bit Hilary. Please could you say what in particular you are trying to find.

Please could you also amend your post to give the correct dates so that it is more readily understandable. I don't think your gg granfather was born 1958! Also I can't find a marriage of Joseph & an Ellen Simm. As you say Thomas was married to Elizabeth Simm (found that one - 1913) is Ellen surname something else?

if that 1881 census is the right Seddons (there are a lot of different Seddon families - & lan-opc shows another Joseph & Ellen family) twins seem to run in the family

Baptisms: 24 Sep 1871 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
John Seddon - Child Son of Joseph Seddon & Ellen
Born: 7 Sep 1871
Abode: Stubshaw Cross
Occupation: Collier
Notes: [Twin Baptised with brother James]
Baptised by: H.Siddall
Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1873, Page 246, Entry 1964
Source: LDS Film 1885659

Baptisms: 24 Sep 1871 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
James Seddon - Child Son of Joseph Seddon & Ellen
Born: 7 Sep 1871
Abode: Stubshaw Cross
Occupation: Collier
Notes: [Twin Baptised with brother John]
Baptised by: H.Siddall
Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1873, Page 246, Entry 1963
Source: LDS Film 1885659

Cornelius Seddon

Christening: 07 AUG 1864 Wigan, Lancashire, England

Father: Joseph Seddon
Mother: Ellen Seddon


GRO record

Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
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SEDDON Cornelius Wigan 8c 61

Deleted the 1850 marriage - seemed too early................

The 6-year gap between Thomas and Cornelius looks a bit suspect - did Joseph marry twice?

THomas/Ann marriage

Marriage: 15 May 1881 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Thomas Seddon - 22 Collier Bachelor of Stubshaw Cross
Ann Derbyshire - (X), 22 Spinster of Stubshaw Cross
Groom's Father: Joseph Seddon, Collier
Bride's Father: John Derbyshire, Collier
Witness: James Wood; Mary Hart, (X)
Married by Banns by: Henry Siddall
Register: Marriages 1863 - 1882, Page 237, Entry 474
Source: FHL Film 1885661

Thomas & Ann married after the census was taken - 15th May - see post above

1881 census was taken on 3rd April, so the May marriage would fit........

1871 - shows another child between Thomas and Cornelius

Name: Joseph Seddon
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Hale, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Ashton in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Ashton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Seddon 35
Ellen Seddon 34
Thomas Seddon 12
William Seddon 10
Cornelius Seddon 6
Lydia Seddon 4
Levi Seddon 2

although Thomas b1884 was supposedly born in the same place as Cornelius, Lydia & Levi I can only find these 3 baptisms

Baptisms: 7 Aug 1864 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Cornelius Seddon - Child of Joseph Seddon & Ellen
Abode: Millgate
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: Samuel Doria
Register: Baptisms 1864 - 1865 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 346, Entry 2767
Source: LDS Film 1469056

Baptisms: 7 Jan 1869 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Levi Seddon - Child of Joseph Seddon & Ellen
Abode: Whelley
Occupation: Collier
Notes: Curate's note reads 'Should have been (record) number 295 - AHW'
Baptised by: A H Hodd, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1869 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 38, Entry 303
Source: LDS Film 1469056

Baptisms: 25 Jan 1869 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Lydia Seddon - Child of Joseph Seddon & Ellen
Abode: Whelley
Occupation: Collier
Notes: Curate's note reads 'Should have been (record) number 294 - AHW'
Baptised by: A H Hodd, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1868 - 1869 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 38, Entry 302
Source: LDS Film 1469056

1861

Name: Joseph Seddon
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Haigh, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Seddon 25
Ellen Seddon 22
Thomas Seddon 2
William Seddon 5 Mo
James James 23

1841 perhaps?

Name: Joseph Seddon
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Aspull
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Seddon 25
Margaret Seddon 30
Joseph Seddon 5
Elizabeth Seddon 4
William Seddon 1

Michelle (I see you had missed off the date originally so assumed it was the same one)

in the 1875 marriage that Thomas Seddon married Alice - there are rather a lot of Thomas Seddons in the area. There is someone else doing research on an entirely different family but with similar names.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1875
SSEDDON Thomas
JOHNSON Alice
Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended

Lancs has a couple of useful resources:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html
In partic baptisms and marrs at:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Ashton-in-Makerfield/stthomas/index.html


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1868
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DARBYSHIRE John SIMM Amelia St. Thomas,Ashton in Makerfield Wigan & Leigh C8/2/147
[NB John is a widower, Amelia a spinster]

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DERBYSHIRE Ann SEDDON Thomas St. Thomas,Ashton in Makerfield Wigan & Leigh C8/2/474
[NB variability in spelling]


If you're not near Kew, or don't have a sub with Ancestry, FMP/GRGold, then there's some censuses online:

Lancs 1861(26% but not Ashton-i-M), 1891(8%)
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
and Ancestry 1881 is free and 1881 is at:
http://www.familysearch.org/

1881
John DARBYSHIRE Head M Male 48 Shevington, Lancashire, England Coal Miner
Amelia DARBYSHIRE Wife M Female 39 Ashton In Makerfield, Lancashire, England
William DARBYSHIRE Son U Male 28 Orrell, Lancashire, England Colliery Engine Tenter
Ann DARBYSHIRE Daur U Female 22 Hindley, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Alfred DARBYSHIRE Son U Male 21 Hindley, Lancashire, England Coal Miners Drawer
Margaret DARBYSHIRE Daur Female 12 Ashton In Makerfield, Lancashire, England Scholar
Elizabeth DARBYSHIRE Daur Female 10 Ashton In Makerfield, Lancashire, England Scholar
Esther DARBYSHIRE Daur Female 7 Ashton In Makerfield, Lancashire, England Scholar
Eliza DARBYSHIRE Daur Female 5 Ashton In Makerfield, Lancashire, England Scholar
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Source Information:
Dwelling 52 Lily Lane
Census Place Ashton In Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341905
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3785 / 9
Page Number 13


1891
Piece: RG12/3068 Place: Wigan -Lancashire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Ashton In Makerfield Ecclesiastical Parish: St Thomas
Folio: 15 Page: 24 Schedule: 134
Address: 46 North St
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Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SEDDON Thomas Head M M 32 Coal Miner(Em'ee) Lancashire - Wigan
SEDDON Ann Wife M F 32 Lancashire - Wigan
SEDDON Jane Dau - F 9 Lancashire - Stubshaw Cross
Page: 16/25 SEDDON Thomas Son - M 6 Lancashire - Stubshaw Cross
DARBYSHIRE William Boardr S M 38 Colliery Engine Man(Em'ee) Lancashire - Lamberhead Green

I agree Michelle - we could do with some answers as we might be repeating data which Hilary already knows. If we are not we could certainly do with Ellen true surname and roughly when they married. Thomas may not even be Ellen's son but by a previous wife of Joseph's

PM sent to Hilary

Joseph's wife in 1861 and 1871 was named Ellen - check the census info I posted on Page 1.

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Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SEDDON Joseph TOOTAL Helen St. David,Haigh Wigan & Leigh C14/1/412

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sorry freewheel - missed that. I found the helen Tootal one as well and wondered. We really could do with feedback.

I assumed Ellen Simm was possibly a bit of mistyping as son married Elizabeth Simm

Maybe someone could say where this 1861 is at:

1861
John Darbyshire abt 1832 pob=Shevington
Margaret Darbyshire abt 1831 pob=Orrell
William Darbyshire abt 1851 pob=Orrell
Thomas Darbyshire abt 1853 pob=Orrell
Mary Darbyshire abt 1855 pob=Orrell
Robert Darbyshire abt 1857 pob=Orrell
Ann Darbyshire abt 1859 pob=Hindley
Alfred Darbyshire abt 1860 pob=Hindley
[rg9/2779/71/? ]


There's this one:

Marriage: 28 Jan 1850 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
John Darbyshire - (X), full Engineer Widower of Hindley
Margaret Buck - (X), full Widow of Hindley
Groom's Father: James Darbyshire, Engineer
Bride's Father: Francis Moloy, Domestic Servant
Witness: William Green, (X); Elizabeth Melling, (X)
Married by: W. B. Findlay Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1851, Page 225, Entry 445
Source: LDS Film 93751

but my pick is:

Marriage: 14 Oct 1851 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Darbyshire - (X), 21 Collier Bachelor of Orrell
Margaret Taylor - (X), 22 Spinster of Orrell
Groom's Father: Thomas Darbyshire, Collier
Bride's Father: William Taylor, Deceased
Witness: Joseph Battersby; Joseph Turner
Married by Banns by: Howard St.George Curate
Register: Marriages 1850 - 1851, Page 220, Entry 439
Source: LDS Film 1885696

there are at least 2 other people with this family in their trees.

Might be worth contacting them Hilary - just use the search tress box. Levi or Cornelius are probably the quickest to look for.

that 2nd John Derbyshire marriage matches the on to Amelia Simm (age about right and father the same)

Marriage: 28 Mar 1868 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
John Darbyshire - 36 Manager in a Coal Pit Widower of Lily Lane in Ashton
Amelia Simm - (X), 28 Spinster of Edge Green Lane in Ashton
Groom's Father: Thomas Darbyshire, Collier
Bride's Father: John Simm, Labourer
Witness: Thomas Lowe; Elizabeth Darbyshire, (X)
Married by Banns by: J H Bullivant, Curate
Register: Marriages 1863 - 1882, Page 74, Entry 147
Source: FHL Film 1885661