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Re Witness Mary Hart.

I think this is Ann's older sis who was on the partial 1861 census I posted.

Marriage: 6 May 1873 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Samuel Hart - 28 Collier Bachelor of Peggy's Lane
Mary Derbyshire - (X), 19 Spinster of Edge Green Lane
Groom's Father: Jonathan Hart, Hinge maker
Bride's Father: John Derbyshire, Collier
Witness: James Hart; Alice Hart, (X)
Married by Banns by: Henry Siddall
Register: Marriages 1863 - 1882, Page 147, Entry 293
Source: FHL Film 1885661

pm from Hilary

I have a copy of Thomas Seddon 1884 birth certificate that has Thomas Seddon as father Ann Seddon formerly Darbyshire as his mother. I have also got copies of my father's and his brother's birth certificates that has Thomas Seddon and Elizabeth formerly simm as there father and mother along with copies of death certificates for Thomas and Elizabeth.

just as a reminder from page 2

THomas/Ann marriage

Marriage: 15 May 1881 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Thomas Seddon - 22 Collier Bachelor of Stubshaw Cross
Ann Derbyshire - (X), 22 Spinster of Stubshaw Cross
Groom's Father: Joseph Seddon, Collier
Bride's Father: John Derbyshire, Collier
Witness: James Wood; Mary Hart, (X)
Married by Banns by: Henry Siddall
Register: Marriages 1863 - 1882, Page 237, Entry 474
Source: FHL Film 1885661

Hi Hilary

presumably you are sure of your facts from personal knowledge of your grandfather Thomas & grandmother Elizabeth Simms. and when Thomas was born. I am asking because there are 3 John Seddons born in the Wigan area in 1916.

Do you have proof that your grandfather's parents were Thomas Seddon & Ann Darbyshire?

It is very easy to go down the wrong line if you do not have proof yourself and then you have wasted time and probably money if you discover a mistake later. It is better to be certain from the start. Never assume that someone else's research is accurate unless they state in the tree what proof they have.

I guess she may be at the beginning of her journey into family history and could be finding it overwhelming. I remember that I didn't even know what a census form looked like when I began and didn't know anything about parish records.

I was a complete numpty.


Now I'm a semi-numpty!!


Cx.

Received this PM - guessing it refers to Ellen's 'maiden name'


I found it out through the message board on ancestry.co.uk.

From Hilary

So - no proof.......................

Probably out Christmas shopping!

Hi Freewheel, yes I noticed she had posted a response after I sent the first of my messages. I sent the second one advising that there were more replies last night and telling her of my interest because of the area. Unfortunately ......no reply Hey ho.

Hilary does know how to get back here - she has posted since the original.

I took an interest in this thread because I know the area well and know quite a few Seddons too!!

I've pm'd Hilary about returning to the thread and then again to let her know about these new replies. Both have been opened but unfortunately she hasn't replied to either - but I do hope she sees this work.

Hi Hilary

before anyone does anymore delving we need to know how you are sure you are following the right line. As I mentioned before there are many many Seddon families in the area and 16 Thomas Seddons born in the Wigan area alone between 1880 & 1890 and 2 of them were born in 1884.

Is any of the information you have been given relevant please?

Where did you 'find out' Ellen's name? On which document(s)?

There is no marriage on freebmd for Ellen Morgan to anyone named Seddon

Do you have feedback concerning all the info which has been posted?

Sorry about the dates great grandfather Thomas was 1858 and grandfather Thomas was 1884. I should have put unknown for Joseph's wife Ellen but have since found out it was Morgan. I was just seeing how far I could go back and about any other decendants to add to my family tree.

Just back from an emergency shopping trip - ran out of sugar this morning, but found a tin with the camping gear, but then I ran out of ciggies.

LAN-Ann - yeah, dumb of me - I'd seen that marr entry, but just didn't put it together - well absence of ciggies plays tricks with your mind.

that 2nd John Derbyshire marriage matches the on to Amelia Simm (age about right and father the same)

Marriage: 28 Mar 1868 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
John Darbyshire - 36 Manager in a Coal Pit Widower of Lily Lane in Ashton
Amelia Simm - (X), 28 Spinster of Edge Green Lane in Ashton
Groom's Father: Thomas Darbyshire, Collier
Bride's Father: John Simm, Labourer
Witness: Thomas Lowe; Elizabeth Darbyshire, (X)
Married by Banns by: J H Bullivant, Curate
Register: Marriages 1863 - 1882, Page 74, Entry 147
Source: FHL Film 1885661

there are at least 2 other people with this family in their trees.

Might be worth contacting them Hilary - just use the search tress box. Levi or Cornelius are probably the quickest to look for.

Maybe someone could say where this 1861 is at:

1861
John Darbyshire abt 1832 pob=Shevington
Margaret Darbyshire abt 1831 pob=Orrell
William Darbyshire abt 1851 pob=Orrell
Thomas Darbyshire abt 1853 pob=Orrell
Mary Darbyshire abt 1855 pob=Orrell
Robert Darbyshire abt 1857 pob=Orrell
Ann Darbyshire abt 1859 pob=Hindley
Alfred Darbyshire abt 1860 pob=Hindley
[rg9/2779/71/? ]


There's this one:

Marriage: 28 Jan 1850 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
John Darbyshire - (X), full Engineer Widower of Hindley
Margaret Buck - (X), full Widow of Hindley
Groom's Father: James Darbyshire, Engineer
Bride's Father: Francis Moloy, Domestic Servant
Witness: William Green, (X); Elizabeth Melling, (X)
Married by: W. B. Findlay Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1851, Page 225, Entry 445
Source: LDS Film 93751

but my pick is:

Marriage: 14 Oct 1851 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Darbyshire - (X), 21 Collier Bachelor of Orrell
Margaret Taylor - (X), 22 Spinster of Orrell
Groom's Father: Thomas Darbyshire, Collier
Bride's Father: William Taylor, Deceased
Witness: Joseph Battersby; Joseph Turner
Married by Banns by: Howard St.George Curate
Register: Marriages 1850 - 1851, Page 220, Entry 439
Source: LDS Film 1885696

sorry freewheel - missed that. I found the helen Tootal one as well and wondered. We really could do with feedback.

I assumed Ellen Simm was possibly a bit of mistyping as son married Elizabeth Simm

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Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SEDDON Joseph TOOTAL Helen St. David,Haigh Wigan & Leigh C14/1/412

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Joseph's wife in 1861 and 1871 was named Ellen - check the census info I posted on Page 1.

I agree Michelle - we could do with some answers as we might be repeating data which Hilary already knows. If we are not we could certainly do with Ellen true surname and roughly when they married. Thomas may not even be Ellen's son but by a previous wife of Joseph's

PM sent to Hilary