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I think my head has stopped spinning around. Good job,Dea!!!

This fits in with Barbara's findings-except where has Sarah skipped off to in 1891,as it says John is married...
1901 Ancestry
Name: Sarah Donnolly
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bacup, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 286
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Donnolly 51 widow
John Donnolly 20 born Sheffield
Eve Donnolly 14 born Sheffield ( I think she's the Estey from 1891-I read it as Evey on that image.)
James Webb 50 lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4363; Folio: 32; Page: 56.
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1911 census transcription details for: Court 12 No 2 Neville Street Sheffield

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN27930 RG78PN1598 RD510 SD5 ED7 SN241

Reg. District: Sheffield Sub District: West Brightside
Parish: Sheffield Enum. District: 7
Address: Court 12 No 2 Neville Street Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

BENNETT, George Head Married M 31 1880 Seimans Furnace Labourer Yorkshire Sheffield
BENNETT, Kate Wife Married (she'll be daughter Catherine,married as Kate DONLEY)
4 years F 25 1886 Yorkshire Sheffield
BENNETT, Annie Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1909 Yorkshire Sheffield
DONLEY, Sarah Widow F 63 1848 Lancashire Bacup


Maureen

■Please quote the following information when making enquiries:

District: Sheffield North
Birth - 134/16
Details: Frances DONLEY - 01/01/1883

■Anyone can apply for a copy of the certificates as long as the correct information is supplied.

■A birth certificate is not proof of identity though some organisations do accept it as such.

■The Sheffield Register Office is open Monday to Friday from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

■The Sheffield Register office is situated at: -

Sheffield Register Office
The Town Hall
Pinstone Street
Sheffield
S1 2HH

(0114) 203 9423 or (0114) 203 9438

■The cost of certificates is as follows
Standard Birth Certificate £7.00
Short Birth Certificate £5.50

Hi Dea, Hi Barbara and everyone who helped on this thread.

I have now got Frances Donley's birth cert and marriage cert.

it confirms the below that you had all thought.

I would just like to say a really big thank you to you all, this is fantastic news as one of Frances's daughters is still alive but very ill and she did not no much about her Gandparents who you very kindly found.

Many thanks Simonxx see below


1891
John Downing I am sure this should be Donley born 1852 Tailor Manchester
Edea 1874 Oldham
John 1882 Sheffield
Francis 1883 Sheffield
Catherine 1885 Sheffield
Estey 1887 Sheffield

Next door lived the Reid family
James Reid 1831 East Leake Notts
Mary wife Notts
William 1872 Attercliffe Sheffield
Lottie 1879 Sheffield
Frank A 1876 Sheffield
Harry 1883 Sheffield

That's so nice,Simon!!
Just out of curiousity,what was the mother Sarah's maiden name???

Maureen

Hi MaureeninNY.

Not found out yet she , from the thread she was born in Bacup Lancashire 1850/51/52.

If you do find out please let me know.

Thank you for your interest, for me this is great as my middle name is Rochford and this is a big part of why i wanted to find out about Frances Rochford nee Donley and her husband John Rochford who's parents were Thomas and Bridget, so i will follow up on these too they were in county sligo.

Regards Simon.

Oh! Sorry,I misread your post. Thought you'd received Frances Donley's birth cert as well.

Best,
Maureen

Hi MaureeninNY.

I have the cert but it has in the box for mothers name it says X "mark of Mother" Sarah Donley, i take it X is because she could not write.

Just my luck, i will try through FreBMD.

Regards Simon

Hi to you All.

I have the birth cert for Frances Donley her mother sarah's maiden name was Lord born Bacup 1850/51, i cant find sarah's parents or her marriage to John Donley who was born 1852, please see early messages on this thread.

Any help in locating Sarah in early years or her parents and marriage to John Donley would really help.

Regards Simon.

HELP PLEASE.

Ok i have Frances mum as Sarah Donley nee lord born Oldham 1851/2 in 1881 she is living with John Donley in Manchester and a Cad born 1873.

In 1891 John Donley is in sheffield with Eda born 1874 and other daughters including FRANCES. BUT NO Sarah!

In 1901 Eda marries next door William Reid but shows as nee Whittaker not Donley

And John and Sarah are back together.

I am wondering if Sarah was married some time in 1872/3 and had Cad and Eda and then married John Donley later and had The rest as the next child is 1883 a 10 year gap.

IF SOME ONE HAS THE TIME TO PRINT ALL THIS THREAD AND SEND THE TIME TO WORK OUT THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

All info is on the thread, i just can't work it out!!

I have tried but am new to all this, i would be happy to forward helpers a box of Chocs, please help i am in a real mess with this one.

Kind regards Simon.

Hi Simon,
I worked on this for hours this morning and got nowhere.

Just a couple of points-there's no such person as Cad. That's just Eda.
This is possibly her birth:
Name: Eda Whittaker
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Oldham
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 618

IF (and it's a big IF) that's her ,I wonder if the certificate might shed a little more light on Sarah?

I don't see any likely marriages-LORD, WHITTAKER, DON*LEY,etc.

Sorry!

Maureen

Hi maureen.

I will order the cert, i seem to remember my mother saying that Sarah had been married before!! that would account for the Whittaker or was she born out of wed lock to a boyfriend, my mum said an american!!.

I do think it is Eda that is sister to Frances as the rest fits when living in Sheffield.

And Frances showing as sister in law to william and eda reid.

Yes i never thought of Cad been Eda, and i spen hours on that.

I will order that cert and see, thank you so much for your help, is this a case of you need to find out as much as me because you have done so much work.

If you think of anything else please let me know.

BIG THANK YOU.

Simon x

Hi,

I have worked on this on and off all day and got nowhere too!

However, from the info that Maureen has posted I have found the following info on Lancs Bmd which looks very promising:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHITTAKER Eda Oldham Below Town Oldham LORD OBT/102/451


Total records matching : 1 .

Dea x

Hi,

I do not have access to the 1891 census but have done a basic search and can't look at the results.

I have found a Sarah Lord born 1850 living in Todmorden Yorkshire (West Riding) for my search I put born in Bacup.

If anyone could check to see please.

Sal

Hurrah for Dea!!!!

That one won't likely help,but at least we'll have some clue as to which Whittaker she might (or might not have) married.

Good luck,Simon!

Maureen

Sal.
That Sarah LORD seems pretty settled with a husband and children,so I think we'll leave her alone...grin.

Maureen

I don't know whether it will help or confuse and I am going off-line very soon but I have found a few other Whittaker/Lord births:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1873
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHITTAKER Mary Alice Oldham Above Town Oldham LORD OAT/74/150



Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1874
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHITTAKER Eda Oldham Below Town Oldham LORD OBT/102/451



Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHITTAKER Louisa Oldham Below Town Oldham LORD OBT/114/315



Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WHITTAKER James Thomas Oldham Above Town Oldham LORD OAT/86/291

Hope someone will be able to connect them?

Dea x

Hi,

Unfortunately without access bit stuck couldn't tell if she was married or not.

Oh well back to the drawing board.

:-}

Good Luck.

Sal

Don't be disheartened Sal,

Your input 'could' have been the breakthrough!!

Every little bit helps, even if you can't follow it through because of lack of access, it could help us 'crack' the case!

Keep up the good work.

Dea x

Hi Everyone,

sorry i went missing for a while, this all seems to be adding up, all the Whittaker birtsh are in th1870's and the Donley births ar 1880's and Sarah was older when she arrived with John Donley on the 1881 register so could have been maried before or had the kids out of wed lock before John came on the seen.

I can't help but say thank you all so far, i just know like me you can't leave this one alone!!

BIG thank you, how many boxes of Chocs so far!

Simon xx

Hi Simon,

3 boxes for me please (virtual, of course,) - I have been very poorly and need to put on weight!!

Dea x

P.S. - I will look again in the morning!

Dea x