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I have 2 brothers Duncan Stewart Moore d.o.b.1865 and Henry Moore d.o.b. 1860, have them both on 1871 census living with their mother margaret as head and their sister mary aged 1. Both again on the 1881 census living with mother and father Henry and siblings.I have their parents marraige certificate wich shows they didn't marry until 1869 in Tradeston, Glasgow, my problem is i can't find birth certificates for either sons, any advice would be great, thank you jean

From the census you have, where were they born?

Hi Catherine, They were both born in Lanarkshire,

jean

Just for ref:-

Name: Duncan Moore
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 63 Piccadilly St
ED: 55
Household schedule number: 55
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1871_137
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Moore 27
Henry Moore 11 born: Glasgow, Lanark
Duncan Moore 6
Mary Moore 1

Is this the census entry?

Name: Duncan Moore
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 63 Piccadilly St
ED: 55
Household schedule number: 55
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1871_137
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Moore 27
Henry Moore 11
Duncan Moore 6
Mary Moore 1



If so, I wonder if it has been mistranscribed. Margaret is pretty young to be Henry's mother although obviously it is possible.

Catherine and Rootgatherer, This is Duncan on the census, and you are right about Margaret's age, she does seem to be too young ,I thought if i could find the births it would confirm her as the mother.

jean

You didn't say that you had them in 1861 so here's what looks to be them, just in case:-

Name: Henry Moore
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanark
Registration Number: 644/7
Registration district: Milton
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4 Stirling St
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 77
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_106
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Mitchell 75 born: Dollar, Perth
Ann Stewart 20 - Grandaughter born: Glasgow (French Polisher)
Margaret Stewart 18 - Grandaughter born: Glasgow (French Polisher)
Henry Moore 1

17 doesn't seem too young to me, even now a days!

The 1881 Census entry

Name: Henry Moore
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: CO: Derry, Ireland
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 68 Clyde St
Occupation: Steam Craneman
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 3
Roll: cssct1881_239
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Moore 40
Margaret Moore 38
Henry Moore 21
Duncan Moore 16
Mary Moore 11
Margaret Moore 9
Ann Moore 6
James Moore 4
Alexander Moore 12 Mo


Looking at the ages of the children, I wonder if Henry Junior could be the son of a first marriage for Henry Senior.

On the marriage certificate you have was Henry a widower or bachelor when he married Margaret - although I have a couple of examples in my own family where the widower stated that he was a bachelor even although they had children from a previous marriage.

Thanks for that Catherine, i didn't have the 1861 census, it shows Margaret's maiden name Stewart.

jean

Catherine, I do have the 1881 census for them. Henry senior states he was a batchelor, his usual residence was the steamship Kinsale of glasgow.on his marraige cert.

jean

If the 1861 census is your Henry, then his birth may have been registered as Henry Stewart if the father was unbla to sign the birth certificate. If an illegimate child is registered only by the mother, then the child will have the mother's surname. There is no reason that the child can't be known by a different name to that registered. If this is your Henry, registered as Stewart then there will be a corrected entry made when the parents married.

Worth checking for a birth for Duncan just as Duncan Stewart too.

I have Duncan's death certificate which shows his name as Duncan Moore formely Stewart does this sound right to you ?

jean

Yes - that does sound right. So I think that you are looking for births for a Henry Stewart and a Duncan Stewart.

Come back and let us know if you find them.

That would fit with what rootgatherer said. The children being born before the marriage they would likely be registered under mothers name.

Thank you both for the information, I'll go back to Scotlands People and have look.

regards jean

Oh! Look what I've found:-

DUNCAN STEWART - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 DEC 1864 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Mother: MARGARET STEWART

and Henry:-

HENRY MOORE STEWART - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 03 JUN 1859 Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Mother: MARGARET STEWART

and Mary:-

MARY MOORE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 02 JAN 1870 Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father: HENRY MOORE
Mother: MARGARET STEWART

As Margaret is living in Barony, Glasgow, I wonder if this is her:-

MARGARET STEWART - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 20 MAY 1843
MARGARET STEWART - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JUL 1843 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JAMES STEWART
Mother: JANET SCOTT

Just a thought!