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>>> EvieBeavie 1st January 2009 23:59 <<<

Well here's a household in 1881 who fits that William -- the census was taken in the same month as they married in 1894, so age 7 in 1881 could be slightly off from age 21 in 1894. What was the legal minimum age for marriage?


Name: William Williams
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England


Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Street address: 36 Combermere St

Richard Williams 38 - occupation Labourer
Mary Williams 37
Richard Williams 11
John Williams 10
Margt. Williams 9
William Williams 7
Louisa Williams 6
Mary Williams
John Williams 42
William Lee 25

Ops...I ment married in 1894. Sorry about that. To excited about all this news you see.. Ha! Ha!.

Cheers Jean

Having looked at original 1911 census I have diacovered that my grandparents William and Mary Williams had two other children that died.

I have just sent for williams brothers birth cert. (Hopefully its the right one.) then I will know his mothers maiden name and I can research that side of family. Wow! I would be bored without all this going on now.

But my thanks goes to all the people who have helped me on this site.

Cheers Jean

NOW TRYING TO TRACE MY GRANDMOTHERS FAMILY.

her married name Mary williams, her maiden name Mary Richardson. Her fathers name James Richardson.

i think this maybe her family in 1881 census.

JAMES RICHARDSON AGE 40 BORN SCOTLAND
CATHERINE '' AGE 45 ... SCOTLAND
JANE ''' AGE 10 ... LIVERPOOL
ELIZABETH '' AGE 8 ... LIVERPOOL
MARY '' AGE 5 ... LIVERPOOL

7 COURT 5 HOUSE CLIVE STREET TOXTETH L'POOL

BUT I AM NOY ENTIRELY SURE, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND THEM ON ANY OTHER CENSUS. NOR FIND HER BIRTH REG'

CAN ANYBODY HELP.

THANKS JEAN

Dang, Carol, I didn't get to use up my few remaining SP credits in the few remaining hours I have for doing it. ;)

Of the marriages, the only really applicable ones (spouses old enough, and married when children in 1881 were born) are:

1859 RICHARDSON JAMES DAVIDSON CATHERINE JOHNSTONE /RENFREW 559/03 0072

1874 RICHARDSON JAMES MCLEAN CATHERINE HIGH CHURCH GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/02 0127
(after birth of daughter Jane though)

1868 RICHARDSON JAMES WILLIAMSON CATHERINE ELDER NEWINGTON EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 0392


This looks like the 1881 household, in 1871 in Liverpool -- since that's where daughter Jane was born, that's where they would most likely have been then:


James Richardson 30 - born Wigtown, Scotland c1841, occupation Mariner
Catherine Richardson 35 - born Wigtown, Scotland, c1836
Jane Richardson 7 months - born Liverpool


The 1881 James was a dock labourer. Is that what your Mary's father's occupation was on her marriage certificate, Jean?


A possible marriage in Manchester that could be them:

Marriages Sep 1865
Corbett Bridget Manchester 8d 673 Scan
Greenwood James Manchester 8d 673
> Maguire Catherine Manchester 8d 673
> Richardson James Manchester 8d 673

although Maguire sounds more Irish - ?


Daughter Jane was 7 months old in 1871. She would most likely be this one (the birth registered in June Q 1870 would make that one at least 9 months old for the 1871 census):

Births Sep 1870
Richardson Jane Liverpool 8b 58

If that's the right one, it would give the mother's birth surname.


If this is the right James. ;)

Here's the only other record of a James Richardson born c1841 in Wigtown, at Ancestry -- most likely the same one:


1851:

Name: James Richardson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Janet
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigtown, Wigtownshire
Parish Number: 901
Civil Parish: Wigtown
Town: Wigtown
County: Wigtownshire
Address: North Side High Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Page: 4
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_217

Janet Richardson 40 - Pauper Shoe Makers Widow, born Ireland
James Richardson 12
Margaret Richardson 9
Jessie Richardson 4
John Richardson 1


The household in 1841:

John Richardson 43 - born Scotland, Shoemaker
Jean Richardson 25 - born Ireland
James Richardson 1
Margaret Richardson 2 Mo

thank you for your quick responses.
her father was down as a labourer on the wed cert. the address on the wedding cert. 4 BOLTON STREET LIVERPOOL
cheers
Jean

THANKS CAROL-SCOTLAND AND EVIE BEAVIE YES IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE THEM BUT I AM CONFUSED ON WHO THE JEAN WAS AGED 25 IN 1841 AND WHERE WAS JANET THEN (MOTHER)

cANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR YOUR HELP.

CHEERS

JEAN

Name variations, I'd say -- Jane / Janet / Jean somewhat interchangeable.

Also there's the possibility of mistranscriptions. You can see the originals at ScotlandsPeople.

It was also the age difference jean 25 in 1841 and janet 40 in 1851 ???

thanks agai
jean

I am trying to folow this info through. It looks as though James amust have died around 1849/50.???

unfortunately unable to get this info on scottish people site.

ALSO UNABLE TO TRACE JAMES OR HIS WIFE CAHERINE RICHADSON WHO WHERE ON THE 1881 CENSUS AFTER THAT THEY ARE MISSING. bUT HIS NAME IS ON HIS DAUGHTERS WEDDING CERTFICATE IN 1894 AND IT DOES NOT SAY HE IS DECEASED. OCCUPATION STATES LABOURER. ANYONE GOT ANY IDEAS.

CHEER JEAN

Thanks for all the help.

cheers.
Jean