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Jo

You certainly aren't useless, far from it, there is a lot of info posted in the thread (maybe too much but that is my fault) and it takes time to to sort through it.

Start with the birth cert for Jane Elizabeth, that will at least give us a clue as to whether James and Leah are her parents.

Assuming (for now) they are her parents you can then work on confirming the birth/marriage details for James and Leah The census information is a useful a guide to where and when things happened.

Working back one generation at a time is the key, once you confirm the early stuff the census returns will make more sense,the census gives clues but it isn't the be all and end all of research anyway.

I wouldn't worry about the death for Daniel at the moment, best to work steadily backwards and confirm that Daniel is part of the family before rushing in to kill him off.


Glen

Hi Glen,

I will get the birth cert next and go from there afterwards. The census im useless with and really it aint hard to work out but gets all too confusing for me.

Jo

I've probably had a bit more practice with the census.

If and when you need any help just shout out, this thread has lots of stuff that we can either use or discount at some point and make things a bit clearer for you.

Glen

Thankyou Glen your very kind.

Can anyone find anything on Walter Isaac Jackson at all, all that has been found is a census for when he was living with the Graham family and i cant find anything as keep looking.

1901 census.
Walter Fisher 1865 St Luke Middlesex.occ labourer
Elizabeth Jackson wife 1872 Camden.
Bertha Jackson dau 1899 Holloway Middlesex

address 154 St Marys Rd Edmonton parish

Hi margaret,

Is this Walter, Walter Isaac Jackson's father? and family?

No I would say this is the Walter Isaac Jackson and Elizabeth Stuckey .
Walter is obviously known by Jackson and Fisher.Thats why Ethel Victoria Fisher Jackson has both names and why Walter married as Jackson.

My gt grandfathers surname was Burden.
He married as Darby Burden. Darby being his grandfathers name. His grandparents never married.
His grandfather died leaving a will in which gt grand was left money.
After gt grand married he dropped the surname Burden and registered all his children as Darby


When I was looking for gt grand Darby on the census he disapears going backwards. It was only after getting his marriage cert I found him under Burden. His grandmother Burden had one of the grandchildren living with her in 1851

Ah i see. I thought coz of the dates it must be the parents but now i can see that Walter was born 1865, Elizabeth 1872 and they had a Daughter born 1899. Sorry to be a pain. Now i know where Fisher comes from.
Do you know the birth Ref for Walter please?

Margaret,

Out of the 2 births for Elizabeth, 1 in Pancras the other in Edmonton which 1 do you think is right to order, as i want to order but as my mum is paying for certs i want to get the right one.

Hi Brenda,

I have no idea looks possible, confusing though when they carry on with the name. Thankyou for finding for me.

Yes it is confusing when they keep changing names. My Darby grandmother married twice. I couldnt find her first marriage even though I knew her husbands surname.
It was only after I found out about her father changing his name I found her marriage. She married as Florence D Burden.When I got the cert it was Darby as middle name. Her second marriage to my grandfather gave her name as formely Darby which was the name on her birth cert

Going by the census returns i posted, and the deaths for James, Leah and Daniel it seems the family moved from Pancras to Islington reg districts at some point in 1892.
The '71, '81 and '91 census returns are all in the civil parish of St Pancras (not quite the same thing as the reg district though.)

So which one of these births looks likely?

Name: Jane Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 183

Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 181

Has a reply done missing to do with no birth for Walter Fisher in St luke but there was a Walter Jackson in St luke? Now there is a birth for

Births Sep 1868
Fisher Walter Edward St Luke 1b 670

Who is?

Sorry everyone i am a pain i know.

Glen i would say now the first birth? i hope im right coz was about to order the other.

You should get the marriage cert of Elizabeth Stuckey to Isaac Walter Jackson. It will be interesting to see if there is a fathers name for Isaac.Possibly not.

Thats ok, i noted it down already. Who is this Walter Edward Fisher as date is 1868?

Im getting myself in a muddle now lol.

Margaret i have the cert.

Isaac's father is a Frederick Jackson and Elizabeth's father is James Stuckey, both down as deceased. Im sure i added it here in this post.

Sorry you probably did in the beginning

Margaret,

I got the cert just few days ago after making this post.

Brenda,

He is down as Walter Edward Jackson. Maybe that is his birth then.

Don't mind me, just posting something for the 1872 Stuckey birth query


I wonder if this birth.......

Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 181

Fits this '81 census......

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Stuckey
Name: Elizabeth Stuckey
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Caroline E.
Gender: Female
Where born: Highgate

Civil Parish: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Wells Hill 2 Dorothy Cottages
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Stuckey 11
Caroline E. Stuckey 34
Elizabeth Stuckey 8
Thomas Stuckey 35


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1379; Folio: 80; Page: 42; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341335.



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And this birth

Name: Jane Elizabeth Stuckey
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 183


Fit with this '81 return....

Name: Elizabeth Stucky
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Leah
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Blandford Pl
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stucky 15
Daniel Stucky 78
Elizabeth Stucky 9
George Stucky 11
James Stucky 55
John Stucky 18
Leah Stucky 43
Thomas Stucky 2
Walter Stucky 3

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 220; Folio: 21; Page: 36; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341048.



First one is Edmonton birth district and Edmonton Census district

Second one is Pancras birth and Pancras census district.

Is this the clue needed to clarify which birth cert required.