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25 May 2017 08:54 |
Hi, not 100% sure if I am posting this in the right place but here goes, My Nana was born 'Dawn Procter' 22/09/1941 in Morecambe in Lancashire I have just recently received a copy of her birth certificate showing her Mother was 'Blanche Procter' and her Grandmother 'Martha Procter who both live in Congleton in Cheshire. I have done numerous searches and have found people who I believe are her 'grandfather, uncle, cousin etc. but no immediate siblings in fact I cant find much about her mother 'blanche' at all and have come to a bit of a dead end. the only record I can find is a blanche Procter marrying a Jack Marley in Lancaster in 1965 but nothing in-between? I have messaged a few people with these people on their trees but haven't had much response does anyone know where I would go from here?? Thanks in advance Lucie (David's daughter)
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25 May 2017 10:24 |
The only birth that comes up on freebmd from 1900-1930
Births Sep 1903 Proctor Blanche May Barton I. 8c 649
Nope that one passed away as a baby
First name(s) BLANCHE MAY Last name PROCTOR Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1903 Age 0 Death quarter 3 Death year 1903 District Barton upon Irwell County Lancashire Volume 8C Page 394 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain © Findmypast
Edit wrong spelling of surname
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25 May 2017 10:33 |
Who are the others you have found that could be related
Does the birth cert give any address for Blanche or Martha
Could this be connected
Procter Household (3 People) 6 Park View , Congleton M.B., Cheshire, England Start free family tree View original imagePrint FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION Martha Procter 12 Feb 1882 Unpaid Domestic Duties William A Procter 22 Jul 1916 Motor Mechanic Wallis B Coleman 27 Oct 1914 Chartered Accountant Ref: RG101/3998H/013/10 Letter Code: LENH © Findmypast Ltd
No closed records so no Blanche living with her
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25 May 2017 11:17 |
Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Procter Bertha Procter Burnley 8e 328
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25 May 2017 11:33 |
But would that 1913 birth be old enough to have a daughter who then gave birth in 1941,???
Wonder about this birth Births Sep 1921 Procter Blanche Yates Congleton 8a 488
Edit looks very much like them
Marriages Mar 1913 Procter Robert Yates Congleton 8a 523 Yates Martha Procter Congleton 8a 523
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25 May 2017 11:34 |
Thanks for your replies! Yes on the birth certificate it shows Martha and Blanche living at 6 park view Congleton. Don't know what this means though? maybe she stayed in Lancashire after giving birth. the other people I have found are 'Robert Procter' - blanches grandfather William a Procter - her brother? who I've then found married Gladys Wilson in Macclesfield and had a son Robert w procter.
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25 May 2017 11:36 |
COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE Attach to Family Tree
Martha Procter England and Wales Census, 1901 Name Martha Procter Event Type Census Event Date 31 Mar 1901 Event Place Congleton, Cheshire, England County Cheshire Civil Parish Congleton Ecclesiastical Parish St Peter Sub-District Congleton Registration District Congleton Residence Note Royle Street Gender Female Age 8 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Birth Year (Estimated) 1893 Birthplace Congleton, Cheshire Schedule Type 188 Page Number 29 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace William Procter Head M 35 Congleton, Cheshire Ellen Procter Wife F 39 Macclesfield, Cheshire Margaret A Procter Daughter F 15 Congleton, Cheshire Ellen Procter Daughter F 12 Macclesfield, Cheshire Caroline Procter Daughter F 10 Macclesfield, Cheshire Martha Procter Daughter F 8 Congleton, Cheshire William Procter Son M 4 Congleton, Cheshire Daniel Procter Son M 2 Congleton, Cheshire
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25 May 2017 11:40 |
Well that's the address in 1939 so looks to be grandma and brother
Have posted the marriage of her parents and blanches birth which was 1921
By 1939 she isn't living at home
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25 May 2017 11:53 |
That marriage to jack Marley could be her as the birth date would tie with the birth qtr for Blanche in 1921
Blanche Marley Birth Date: 2 Jun 1921 Date of Registration: Sep 1982 Age at Death: 61 Registration district: Lancaster Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 40 Page: 1436
Possible death of her hubby
Jack Marley Birth Date: 21 Aug 1918 Date of Registration: Jun 1975 Age at Death: 56 Registration district: Lancaster Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 40 Page: 1736
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25 May 2017 12:01 |
Death of her brother William
First name(s) WILLIAM ARTHUR Last name PROCTER Gender Male Birth day 22 Birth month 7 Birth year 1916 Age - Death quarter 3 Death year 1992 District Macclesfield Register number 992 County Cheshire Volume 35 Page 738 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain © Findmypast
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25 May 2017 12:04 |
First name(s) ROBERT Last name PROCTER Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1883 Age 47 Death quarter 3 Death year 1930 District Congleton County Cheshire Volume 8A Page 282 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain © Findmypast
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25 May 2017 12:05 |
First name(s) Robert Last name Procter Age 32 and 9 months Birth year 1883 Birth town Congleton Birth county Cheshire Birth country England Service number 23560 Regiment Army Service Corps Unit / Battalion Reserve Battalion Year 1916 Residence town Congleton Residence county Cheshire Residence country England Series WO 363 Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents' Archive The National Archives Record set British Army Service Records Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain brightsolid online publishing ltd.
Home address 101 Antrobus Street , Congleton. Occ grocer Wife Martha Yates married 4 .2.1913 Son William Arthur born 22.7.1916
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25 May 2017 12:21 |
You need the marriage cert for his father's name so as to identify the right Robert Procter
Not seeing an obvious marriage for William so his death cert too could be helpful with the informants name
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25 May 2017 12:34 |
So would it look like she didn't return to Congleton after giving birth??, she was only 20 and it said she was a stationers assistant on the birth certificate maybe she stayed for work.
the address of the house where she was born was Seymour grove in heysham Morecambe is there any way of finding out who lived there in 1941? or what it was in them days? my nana was told she was adopted from a unmarried mothers home at queen street in Lancaster there has been nothing said about any houses in Morecambe so would be interesting to find out who lived there if I could
Thanks
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25 May 2017 12:58 |
I can't see Blanche on the 1939 register sorry
There were no electoral rolls taken in WW2 so there's no way to check
It's possible that was the postal address of the hospital as its pre the NHS and often the hospitals had been associated with the workhouses
Folks objected to any ref to a workhouse hospital on any certs because It implied they had been in the workhouse so it became the norm to put the hospital postal address instead
The hospital may no longer exist
Or it could have been a home for unmarried mothers, again they would use the postal address
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25 May 2017 13:48 |
Robert Procter England and Wales Census, 1911 Name Robert Procter Event Type Census Event Date 1911 County Cheshire Parish Congleton Sub-District Congleton Registration District Congleton Gender Male Age 26 Birthplace Coughton, Cheshire
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25 May 2017 13:51 |
Robert Procter England and Wales Census, 1891 Name Robert Procter Event Type Census Event Date 1891 County Cheshire Parish Congleton Ecclesiastical Parish ST JAMES Registration District Congleton Residence Note Wagg Street Gender Male Age 6 Occupation Scholar Relationship to Head of Household Son Birth Year (Estimated) 1885 Birthplace Cheshire, England Page Number 2 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 2845/ 61 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace William Henry Procter Head M 38 Lancashire, England Sarah Ellen Procter Wife F 33 Staffordshire, England Gertrude Mary Procter Daughter F 14 Cheshire, England George William Procter Son M 12 Cheshire, England James Henry Procter Son M 9 Cheshire, England Robert Procter Son M 6 Cheshire, England Nellie Procter Daughter F 3 Cheshire, England
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25 May 2017 14:35 |
But there's more than one Robert Procter born c 1882/3 so to identify the right one the father's name from the marriage cert would help According to the army records he was 32 years and 9 months when he sighed up and was born c 1883 not 1885
He may not have been born in Cheshire although he lived in congleton when he signed up
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25 May 2017 15:42 |
Could be him though as note his occupation. He was a grocer when he signed up
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 7 Wagg Street Congleton, Congleton, Cheshire, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place Sarah Ellen Procter Head Widow Female - 53 1858 Staffordshire Biddulph Transcription Robert Procter Son Single Male Gtocer's Assistant 26 1885 Cheshire Coughton Transcription Nellie Procter Daughter Single Female Elementary School Teacher 23 1888 Cheshire Coughton Transcription Charles Frederic Procter Son Single Male Law Clerk 20 1891 Cheshire Coughton Transcription Willie Holland Boarder Single Male Wine Merchant Clerk
So some difference in his birth year according to his signing up and his death in 1930
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25 May 2017 15:48 |
PROCTER, ROBERT SNAPE GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 301
Marriages Dec 1875 Procter William Henry Congleton 8a 456 SNAPE Sarah Ellen Congleton 8a. 456
Strange though the difference in his birth year
Think you do need his marriage cert to Bertha for his dads name
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