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Marie has sent me a tree access request ...

I PMed her again to explain how this all works, and how to reply in this thread.

my PM has not been read ......

If you were interested in the Lucchesi family in general, you could contact the Bexley local history centre.

http://www.bexley.gov.uk/localhistory?contactid=2109

It's possible they have archived material, or at least a mention, about their business.

Ancient relatives grew up in the general area. Next time we see them we can ask if they have any relevant memories. They might have lived just 'out of area' to have come across each other.

Shirley, Marie's father was Rudolfo Lucchesi *known as* Tony.

He might be the closed record in 1939. (Wife to be Iris was with her parents in Birmingham)

Presumably Marie knows all about her parents' marriage, for instance.


Luigi Sr and Edith had children in 1916, 1918, 1920, 1921 (Marie's father), 1922, 1928 and 1930. All seem to have been living in 1939. (Well except that their oldest and youngest daughters were both named Edith so it seems the older one died, but I see no deaths in the index.)

Marie, if you don't know about your father's family, search at FreeBMD for the births of his siblings by searching for births, surname Lucchesi, mother's surname Barrett.

The daughter of Luigi Jr is a member of this site, in case you don't know her. She has in her tree:

Luigi Emmanuel Lucchesi 1916 Stepney London


That is who Marie's father's mother, Edith, ended up living near, as Shirley notes, from the electoral roll.

Luigi Jr was in the telephone directory there:

Name: L E Lucchesi
Address: 1 Shelly Ho,London Rd ^..
Publication Year: 1975
Directory Place: Kent, United Kingdom
Exchange: Crayforrf
Directory Title: Bexley & Dartford
Page Number: 379

as was Luigi Sr:

Name: L M Lucchesi
Address: White lodge WatHng st..
Publication Year: 1947
Directory Place: Bexleyheath, London, United Kingdom
Exchange: Bexleyhth
Directory Title: London Surnames L - R
Page Number: 1650

and the phone remained in his name after his death

Name: L M Lucchesi
Address: White Idg Watling st Bexleyheath...
Publication Year: 1960
Directory Place: Crayford, Kent, United Kingdom
Exchange: Crayford
Directory Title: Kent / Surrey Aug
Page Number: 8202


Marie said her father used to go to Dartford once a year, so presumably it was his mother and brother (and maybe other siblings) he was visiting. (Marie's father was in Birmingham)

Name: Joyce Lucchesi
Birth Date: 25 Nov 1919
Date of Registration: Dec 2000
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register Number: OD44B
District and Subdistrict: 0071D
Entry Number: 61

Not seeing where tony rudolphus fits in

edit having now found his birth misspelt, see he is another son of Luigi M and Edith

After a BIG search here they are on the 1939 register


Luchess Household (6 People)
54 Watling Street , Crayford U.D., Kent, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Luigi M Luchess 29 Jul 1884 Restauranteur Own Account
Edith A Luchess 19 Jul 1894 Restauranteur Own Account
Luigi E Luchess 27 Jul 1916 Restaurant Manager
Fanny Barrett 15 Jul 1868 None widow
Percival F Smallman 06 Mar 1904 Newsagent Tobacconist & (Own Account
Doris M Smallman 09 Aug 1903 Newsagent Tabacconist & (Own Account Confectioner
Ref: RG101/1252F/002/7 Letter Code: CJVE


I closed record maybe it's Joyce


First name(s) LUIGI EMMANUEL
Last name LUCCHESI
Gender Male
Birth day 27
Birth month 7
Birth year 1916
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1974
District BEXLEY
County Kent
Volume 11
Page 0338
Country England

Since Maria did not stick around / check back as advised in the guidelines, I will send a PM to let her know of replies.

Tony Rudolpho Lucchesi
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1920
Date of Registration: Mar 1989
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Camden
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 1645

So where is he on the 1939 register????

Edit

Name: Rudolph Lucchesi
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1947
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Spouse: Iris Corkindale
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1104

So who does he name as his dad on the cert

Edit 2 !!!
Births Sep 1921
Succhesi Rudolfo Barrett Islington 1b 585


First name(s) RUDOLPH
Last name LUCCHESI
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1947
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ RUDOLPH LUCCHESI married
IRIS CORKINDALE
Spouse's last name CORKINDALE
District BIRMINGHAM
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 9C
Page 1104
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Arturo Lucchesi may be a complete red herring, but he seems to have led an interesting life


Marriages Dec 1913
Lucchesi Arturo Ret Holborn 1b 1212
Ret Elizabeth Lucchesi Holborn 1b 1212

Marriages Jun 1902
Alberganti Elizabeth Holborn 1b 1090
RET Francesco Holborn 1b 1090

Deaths Jun 1911
Ret Francesco 31 Holborn 1b 311


1911

Name: Elizabeth Ret
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: CLERKENWELL, England
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Albion Buildings, Back Hill, Clerkenwell
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 9
Estimated Marriage Year: 1902
Registration district: Holborn
Household Members:
Francesco Ret 31 - mosaic worker
> Elizabeth Ret 32
Maria Ret 8
Umberlo Ret 6
Ricardo Ret 4


Arturo and partner Eliza Kate E Nayler were also in Holborn district ... he and Eliza never married, possibly because he was not free to marry, but was by 1913 ...



just to note that you have Luigi x 2 in your tree at this site with no date of birth; you can update it now from the death records posted in this thread.

You probaly know the other person who has a Luigi Lucchesi with no date of birth?

Name: Edith Alice Lucchesi
Birth Date: 19 Jul 1895
Date of Registration: Sep 1983
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Thanet
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1619

There is Luigi S luccessi and and Joyce on the London electoral rolls in 1965,
1 Shelley House. London road Bexley

At nos 3. Is Edith A Luccessi

Think they must have a family connection

They are nos 1 and nos 2 on the 1964 electoral roll

If you have no idea of Luigi's parents, I wonder about this possible father


1901

Name: Arturs Lucchesi (it is Arturo)
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Eliza K Lucchesi (born London, in 1911 she is Eliza K E)
Birth Place: Italy
Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
> Occupation: Architectural moulder
Registration district: Holborn
Household Members:
Arturs Lucchesi 42
Eliza K Lucchesi 26
Henry L H Morrigi 7 stepson of Arturo, i.e. son of Eliza

MORIGI, HENRY LOVETT HAROLD mother: MAYLER
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 51


obviously Eliza was too young to be your Luigi's mother

Births Sep 1874
Nayler Eliza Kate E St. Saviour 1d 164

there is no marriage that I can find for Eliza & Arturo

Marriages Dec 1892
Morigi Ugo Holborn 1b 1272
Nayler Eliza Kate E Holborn 1b 1272

Deaths Jun 1897
Morigi Ugo 23 Pancras 1b 87

Deaths Sep 1921
Morigi Eliza K E 47 Kensington 1a 169

so never married Arturo Lucchesi

this is their son's birth and death:

LUCCHESI, ARTURO LUIGI mother: NAYLER
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 45

Deaths Sep 1899
Lucchesi Arturo Luigi 0 Pancras 1b 45

so possibly Arturo's father was Luigi ...



at least one member here has Eliza in their tree

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/tree/results/nayler/eliza?memberkey=0&yearofbirth=1875&yearofbirthrange=2

but they have none of the other family members (Ugo, Henry, Arturo) so may not know anything about Eliza and her spouse Arturo

I would say it would be worth looking into Arturo as a possible candidate for father of Luigi

Two people have corrected this entry in the 1911 census at Ancestry


Name: Singi Luxhesi
[Luigi Luxhesi]
[Luigi Lucchesi]
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Employee
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Italy
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell St James and Clerkenwell St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Kemp Place, 8 Bakers Row, Farrington Rd, Clerkenwell E C
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: MANAGER IN CONFECTIONER
Registration district: Holborn
Registration District Number: 14
Sub-registration district: Clerkenwell


The corrections were made in 2012. Would you likely know the people who made the corrections?

If you do not have a subscription to Ancestry, you can take out a trial subscription (remember to cancel before the end of the trial period if you do not want to pay) and send messages to those people. You would be able to reply to any replies received even without a subscription (or of course give them your email address).

You could also add your own notes there, and you can add notes ('postems') at

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

on any records relating to your family, just be sure to include an email address as no one could contact you through that sytem.


1901, seems likely to be the same person

Name: Luigi Luchesi
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Italian Subject, Italy
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Occupation: Painter of plaster images

the head of household was a modeller in plaster images, and the other family members and boarders were painters of images, all Italian.

sorry Shirley I was editing and I added that marriage

I think the later marriage I had first posted was probably a son of the earlier marriage.

marriage

Name: Luigi M Lucchesi
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1916
Registration district: Stepney
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Edith A Barrett
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 533

Probate
Luigi Masimilliano Lucchesi
[Luigi Masimillino Lucchesi]
Death Date: 15 Jun 1954
Death Place: Kent, England
Probate Date: 6 Aug 1954
Registry: London, England

Of White Lodge Watling street Bexleyheath Kent died 15th June 1954
Probate London 6 August 1954 to Edith Alice Lucchesi widow. Effects £901.1.6d.

Luigi Massimiliano Lucchesi
Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 69
Burial Date: 22 Jun 1954
Burial Place: Crayford, England
Chapelry: St Paulinus
Parish as it Appears: Crayford
Home address 54 Watling Street

Luigi M Lucchesi
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Jun 1954
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5b
Page: 377

Would this be your grandparents' marriage?


Marriages Dec 1937
Kemp Joyce Lucchesi Dartford 2a 1882
Lucchesi Luigi E Kemp Dartford 2a 1882


their marriage certificate would tell you his father's name, if he reported it (correctly).

... sorry, that marriage was 16 years after your father's birth ... maybe a brother of your father?

possibly this marriage?

Marriages Mar 1916
Barrett Edith A Lucchesi Stepney 1c 533
Lucchesi Luigi M Barrett Stepney 1c 533

that couple had a son Luigi.

I don't see a birth registration for your father. For info, his death is registered as Tony Rudolpho Lucchesi.

- EDIT - that is the correct marriage; Marie's father's surname is misspelt in the index at FreeBMD as Succhesi, finally found it (and DOB is wrong in death registration)

(Marie you should submit a correction to FreeBMD - sorry, you can't submit a correction because that is what the typed index actually says, but you can add a postem, see below in this thread)


>>>>> If you want to know your grandfather's ancestors you definitely need to get the Lucchesi-Barrett marriage certificate to find his father's name

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/app_select.asp



Can you say what it is you want to know about your grandfather?

If it is his ancestors, we could help trace them possibly, depending on how long the family was in England.

If it is personal info, you would just have to hope that someday, someone does an internet search for his name.

No idea of things, looking at below link...

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)

Deaths Jun 1954 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------
Lucchesi Luigi M 69 Dartford 5b 377

Burial
County Kent
Place Crayford
Church name St Paulinus
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 266
Burial date 22 Jun 1954
Person age 69
Burial person forename Luigi Massimiliano
Burial person surname LUCCHESI
Burial person abode 54 Watling Street

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


(another)

20 March 1936 - Sevenoaks Chronicle and Kentish Advertiser - Sevenoaks

BIGGIN HILL
SPEEDING. - Luigi Emmanuel Lucchesi. of Biggin Hill House, Biggin Hill, was fined at Bromley Police Court on Monday for speeding on Westerham-road, Keston. His license was endorsed.