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Looking for any living relatives of Edward Alcock , Kirkdale, England, and/or Jane Blackhall of Scotland. Edward jumped or was pushed off the steamship Bothnia on July 5,1886. His two sons were Joseph William Alcock, raised in Scotland with Jane's people, and James Blackhall Alcock, raised in England with his aunt, Mary Alcock Marsh.Mary Alcock
See Ancestry.com family tree Alcock Joseph William

Welcome to the boards Mary, have you searched trees for those named?

Just for a ref point

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
212 King Edward St Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England


Mary Ann Marsh Head Widow Female Grocer 68 1843 Lincolnshire Caistor
James Blackhall Alcock Nephew Single Male Undertaker And Joiner 35 1876 Lancashire Liverpool

This is James, home address as per 1911 census

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
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First name(s) JAMES
Last name ALCOCK
Gender Male
Age 63
Birth year 1876
Occupation GROCER
Departure year 1939
Departure day 8
Departure month 7
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name AQUITANIA
Ship official number 135583
Ship master's first name GEO
Ship master's last name GIBBONS
Shipping line CUNARD WHITE STAR LIMITED
City SOUTHAMPTON
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship registered tonnage 19297
Number of passengers 534
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals Transcription
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First name(s) James Blackhall
Last name Alcock
Sex Male
Age 63
Birth year 1876
Birth place England
Arrival year 1939
Arrival city New York
Arrival state New York
Arrival country United States
Ship name Aquitania
Country United States
Film number 1758101
NARA roll number 6363
NARA publication number T715
Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from United States

says on image M for Married but is not travelling with a wife

Possible

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
ALCOCK James B Blackburn Grimsby 7a 1539
Blackburn Alice Alcock Grimsby 7a 1539

Don't appear to be any children to the marriage

Possible that the couple were divorced

EDIT no this is NOT the case as the marriage i thought might be Alice is someone else.

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription
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First name(s) James
Last name Alcock
Birth year 1876
Birth date 31 Mar 1876
Event year 1886
School name South Parade Boys School
Town Grimsby
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Parent name(s) Edward
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 166_719_1_2
Folio / page no. -
Archive North East Lincolnshire Archives
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914
Category Education & work
Subcategory Schools & education
Collections from Great Britain
DC Thomson Family History

Presumably returned to Grimsby

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) JAMES B
Last name ALCOCK
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1876
Age 71
Death quarter 4
Death year 1947
District GRIMSBY
County Lincolnshire
Volume 3B
Page 205
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

James B Allcock on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Allcock Household (2 People)
212 King Edward Street , Grimsby C.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

James B Allcock 31 Mar 1876 Grocery & Provision Dealer Own Account
Alice Allcock 21 Jan 1887 Unpaid Domestic Duties

death for Alice, though the date is out by a day? , and probate


First name(s) ALICE
Last name ALCOCK
Gender Female
Birth day 20
Birth month 1
Birth year 1887
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1972
District CLEETHORPES
County Lincolnshire
Volume 3B
Page 535
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar

Probable birth for Alice
Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
Blackburn Alice Caistor 7a 638

mention here

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27221/page/5163/data.pdf (Brock, George Thomas .)


http://dscalm.nelincs.gov.uk/
Ref No 53/601/B/353
Repository North East Lincolnshire Archives
Title Cleethorpes: Hart Street [42-58 even] - dwelling houses for Brock and Alcock
Date Jan 1900
Description Building plan
Extent 1 Plan

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
King Edward Street, Great Grimsby, Caistor, Lincolnshire, England


Mary A Marsh Head Widow Female 48 1843 Grocer & Baker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Matilda Alcock Mother Widow Female 72 1819 Living On Her Own Means Bicker, Lincolnshire, England
Eliz Alcock Sister Single Female 30 1861 Dressmaker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England
Wm Alcock Brother Widower Male 42 1849 Baker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England
Jas B Alcock Nephew Single Male 15 1876 Joiners Apprentice Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Wm Hy Milthorpe Boarder Single Male 54 1837 Baker Conisbrough, Yorkshire,

England1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
212, King Edward Street, Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England


Mary Ann Marsh Head Widow Female 58 1843 Grocer Shopkeeper Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Alcock Sister Single Female 41 1860 Dressmaker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Transcription
James B Alcock Nephew Single Male 25 1876 Joiner Liverpool, Lancashire, England

well finding that Ancestry tree took some doing, finally searched for James Blackhall Alcock and found five

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/3214742/family?usePUBJs=true
http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/3214742/person/6118376166/facts

too bad you didn't check, Rose :-) and that Mary didn't stick around as advised, to see replies

all that info appears to be known

I think what Mary is looking for is relations of the two parents, Edward and Jane, e.g. descendants of their siblings, rather than their own descendants

Edward's numerous siblings are shown in that tree; no parents or siblings are shown for Jane

presumably Mary has searched family trees at that site and elsewhere for relations

Couldn't check anyway Joonie, I don't have Ancestry at the moment :-) still it didn't take very long to find and I was doing other things at the same time lol Grimsby is where my paternal line lived so pottering round the cemetery records etc is always interesting ;-)

I guess it will be a case of Mary looking at Scotland's People for Jane's relatives :-)

Bless you all ,! I have indeed found many census records that confirm where Joseph William, (my grandfather) James Blackhall A. My never -met great uncle, Edward A. My grandfather, and Jane Blackhall my grandmother , all lived, with whom, and when...what I Don't know is Jane Blackhall is my grandmother, WHY my grandfather jumped or was pushed off the Bothnia where he was a baker on July 10, ? 1886,why the kids didn't live with Jane the mother, if Jane Blackhall Did.Did not get re married to a John Kirkwood and if there were kids, if any of Edward Alcocks siblings ever emigrated to America, etc.!! Any and all help or conjecture is eagerly sought and gratefully accepted Mary Alcock Alcock,Joseph William messy tree on Ancestry.com

well as to Edward jumping or falling, I don't think you'll ever know , several news reports this one from the NY Tiimes

JUMPING INTO THE ATLANTIC.
PERMISSIONS
[ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]

BOSTON, July 9.--Within the past year the head bakers of three steamers coming to this port have committed suicide by jumping into the Atlantic. Edward Alcock, the baker of the Bothnia, which arrived here this morning, followed the example of the other two bakers on July 5. He was 33 years old, and a native of Liverpool. He had been on the Bothnia for over a year.

Oh my, that is a strange phenomenon.

Today, someone would investigate - talk to the families, the fellow crew members, steamship line management, etc. In those days, it wasn't possible / wasn't done.


Mary, how is it that you don't know whether Jane remarried to a John Kirkwood? Is there a record of a marriage with those names (in Scotland?), and have you looked at the certificate to see whether the details match?

Scotlandspeople shows a Jane Alcock + John Kirkwood marriage in 1889 in Lanarkshire
(as far as I could get with free search)

the only way to know whether it is your Jane is to pay for the marriage certificate, which can be viewed on line

then you check to see whether she matches:
age, widowed, father's name to match previous marriage certificate, etc.

she could have found a husband not willing to take on her children

women's options were limited in those days ...


you could also give us the information you have that we don't have

where and when did Edward and Jane marry?
(I don't see a marriage in England or Scotland)

where were they in the 1881 census?
(the info in the census about date and place of birth can be compared to possible Jane Kirkwoods in later censuses)


... here she is in 1881, Edward not present, presumably at sea

Name: Jane Alcock
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Kirkdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Street address: 31 Pluto St
Occupation: Bakers Wife
Registration district: West Derby

Jane Alcock 30
James B. Alcock 5
John Jenkins 28 boarder