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27 Mar 2016 15:44 |
Perhaps something like this was happening to make 3 jump.
Ergot of Rye is a plant disease that is caused by the fungus Claviceps purpurea. The so-called ergot that replaces the grain of the rye is a dark, purplish sclerotium (Figs. 1a-b), from which the sexual stage (Fig. 2a-b), of the lifecycle will form after over wintering. The sexual stage consists of stroma in which the asci and ascospores are produced. Although the ergot is far different in appearance than the true grain, its occurrence was so common that it was thought to be part of the rye plant, until the 1850's, when the true nature of the ergot was understood. Although the common name indicates that this fungus is a disease of rye, it also can infect several other grains, with rye being the most common host for this species. It is the ergot stage of the fungus that contains a storehouse of various compounds that have been useful as pharmaceutical drugs as well as mycotoxins that can be fatal when consumed. The proportion of the compounds produced will vary within the species. Thus, the victim that has lived through ergot poisoning once may experience different symptoms if they were unfortunate enough to consume ergot for a second time. This species was also the original source from which LSD was first isolated. It is believed that symptoms of ergotism have been recorded since the middle ages and possibly even as far back as ancient Greece.
Symptoms Caused By Consumption of Ergot of Rye
Poisoning attributed to Ergot of Rye is referred to as ergotism. Although this fungus is recognized as one species, there are two sets of symptoms that can be found in cases where serious poisoning as occurred: convulsive and gangrenous ergotism.
Convulsive ergotism is characterized by nervous dysfunction, where the victim is twisting and contorting their body in pain, trembling and shaking, and wryneck, a more or less fixed twisting of the neck, which seems to simulate convulsions or fits. In some cases, this is accompanied by muscle spasms, confusions, delusions and hallucinations, as well as a number of other symptoms.
May not be this but something similar so they either became deeply depressed or suffer hallucinations. The flour for instance could have come from the same storage facility for the 3 ships. The bakers would be the ones with most exposure to any contamination as they worked with it as well as eating it.
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22 Mar 2016 01:03 |
Scotlandspeople shows a Jane Alcock + John Kirkwood marriage in 1889 in Lanarkshire (as far as I could get with free search)
the only way to know whether it is your Jane is to pay for the marriage certificate, which can be viewed on line
then you check to see whether she matches: age, widowed, father's name to match previous marriage certificate, etc.
she could have found a husband not willing to take on her children
women's options were limited in those days ...
you could also give us the information you have that we don't have
where and when did Edward and Jane marry? (I don't see a marriage in England or Scotland)
where were they in the 1881 census? (the info in the census about date and place of birth can be compared to possible Jane Kirkwoods in later censuses)
... here she is in 1881, Edward not present, presumably at sea
Name: Jane Alcock Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Kirkdale County/Island: Lancashire Street address: 31 Pluto St Occupation: Bakers Wife Registration district: West Derby
Jane Alcock 30 James B. Alcock 5 John Jenkins 28 boarder
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22 Mar 2016 00:14 |
Oh my, that is a strange phenomenon.
Today, someone would investigate - talk to the families, the fellow crew members, steamship line management, etc. In those days, it wasn't possible / wasn't done.
Mary, how is it that you don't know whether Jane remarried to a John Kirkwood? Is there a record of a marriage with those names (in Scotland?), and have you looked at the certificate to see whether the details match?
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21 Mar 2016 22:54 |
well as to Edward jumping or falling, I don't think you'll ever know , several news reports this one from the NY Tiimes
JUMPING INTO THE ATLANTIC. PERMISSIONS [ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]
BOSTON, July 9.--Within the past year the head bakers of three steamers coming to this port have committed suicide by jumping into the Atlantic. Edward Alcock, the baker of the Bothnia, which arrived here this morning, followed the example of the other two bakers on July 5. He was 33 years old, and a native of Liverpool. He had been on the Bothnia for over a year.
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21 Mar 2016 22:10 |
Bless you all ,! I have indeed found many census records that confirm where Joseph William, (my grandfather) James Blackhall A. My never -met great uncle, Edward A. My grandfather, and Jane Blackhall my grandmother , all lived, with whom, and when...what I Don't know is Jane Blackhall is my grandmother, WHY my grandfather jumped or was pushed off the Bothnia where he was a baker on July 10, ? 1886,why the kids didn't live with Jane the mother, if Jane Blackhall Did.Did not get re married to a John Kirkwood and if there were kids, if any of Edward Alcocks siblings ever emigrated to America, etc.!! Any and all help or conjecture is eagerly sought and gratefully accepted Mary Alcock Alcock,Joseph William messy tree on Ancestry.com
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21 Mar 2016 20:00 |
Couldn't check anyway Joonie, I don't have Ancestry at the moment :-) still it didn't take very long to find and I was doing other things at the same time lol Grimsby is where my paternal line lived so pottering round the cemetery records etc is always interesting ;-)
I guess it will be a case of Mary looking at Scotland's People for Jane's relatives :-)
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21 Mar 2016 19:40 |
well finding that Ancestry tree took some doing, finally searched for James Blackhall Alcock and found five
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/3214742/family?usePUBJs=true http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/3214742/person/6118376166/facts
too bad you didn't check, Rose :-) and that Mary didn't stick around as advised, to see replies
all that info appears to be known
I think what Mary is looking for is relations of the two parents, Edward and Jane, e.g. descendants of their siblings, rather than their own descendants
Edward's numerous siblings are shown in that tree; no parents or siblings are shown for Jane
presumably Mary has searched family trees at that site and elsewhere for relations
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20 Mar 2016 21:45 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription King Edward Street, Great Grimsby, Caistor, Lincolnshire, England
Mary A Marsh Head Widow Female 48 1843 Grocer & Baker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Transcription Matilda Alcock Mother Widow Female 72 1819 Living On Her Own Means Bicker, Lincolnshire, England Eliz Alcock Sister Single Female 30 1861 Dressmaker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Wm Alcock Brother Widower Male 42 1849 Baker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Jas B Alcock Nephew Single Male 15 1876 Joiners Apprentice Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wm Hy Milthorpe Boarder Single Male 54 1837 Baker Conisbrough, Yorkshire,
England1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 212, King Edward Street, Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Ann Marsh Head Widow Female 58 1843 Grocer Shopkeeper Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Transcription Elizabeth Alcock Sister Single Female 41 1860 Dressmaker Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Transcription James B Alcock Nephew Single Male 25 1876 Joiner Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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20 Mar 2016 21:33 |
mention here
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27221/page/5163/data.pdf (Brock, George Thomas .)
http://dscalm.nelincs.gov.uk/ Ref No 53/601/B/353 Repository North East Lincolnshire Archives Title Cleethorpes: Hart Street [42-58 even] - dwelling houses for Brock and Alcock Date Jan 1900 Description Building plan Extent 1 Plan
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20 Mar 2016 21:21 |
death for Alice, though the date is out by a day? , and probate
First name(s) ALICE Last name ALCOCK Gender Female Birth day 20 Birth month 1 Birth year 1887 Age - Death quarter 1 Death year 1972 District CLEETHORPES County Lincolnshire Volume 3B Page 535 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar
Probable birth for Alice Births Mar 1887 (>99%) Blackburn Alice Caistor 7a 638
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20 Mar 2016 21:17 |
James B Allcock on the 1939 Register
1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION Allcock Household (2 People) 212 King Edward Street , Grimsby C.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England James B Allcock 31 Mar 1876 Grocery & Provision Dealer Own Account Alice Allcock 21 Jan 1887 Unpaid Domestic Duties
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20 Mar 2016 21:12 |
last name Alcock first names James burial date 03 December 1947 authority North East Lincolnshire Council location Scartho Road Cemetery (Lincolnshire)
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20 Mar 2016 20:53 |
Presumably returned to Grimsby
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) JAMES B Last name ALCOCK Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1876 Age 71 Death quarter 4 Death year 1947 District GRIMSBY County Lincolnshire Volume 3B Page 205 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
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20 Mar 2016 20:51 |
National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription Print transcription View image First name(s) James Last name Alcock Birth year 1876 Birth date 31 Mar 1876 Event year 1886 School name South Parade Boys School Town Grimsby County Lincolnshire Country England Parent name(s) Edward Book type Admissions Archive reference 166_719_1_2 Folio / page no. - Archive North East Lincolnshire Archives Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Category Education & work Subcategory Schools & education Collections from Great Britain DC Thomson Family History
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20 Mar 2016 20:50 |
Possible that the couple were divorced
EDIT no this is NOT the case as the marriage i thought might be Alice is someone else.
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20 Mar 2016 20:45 |
Possible
Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%) ALCOCK James B Blackburn Grimsby 7a 1539 Blackburn Alice Alcock Grimsby 7a 1539
Don't appear to be any children to the marriage
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20 Mar 2016 20:43 |
New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals Transcription Learn more
Print transcription View image First name(s) James Blackhall Last name Alcock Sex Male Age 63 Birth year 1876 Birth place England Arrival year 1939 Arrival city New York Arrival state New York Arrival country United States Ship name Aquitania Country United States Film number 1758101 NARA roll number 6363 NARA publication number T715 Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals Category Travel & migration Subcategory Passenger lists Collections from United States
says on image M for Married but is not travelling with a wife
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20 Mar 2016 20:39 |
This is James, home address as per 1911 census
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription Learn more
Print transcription View image First name(s) JAMES Last name ALCOCK Gender Male Age 63 Birth year 1876 Occupation GROCER Departure year 1939 Departure day 8 Departure month 7 Departure port SOUTHAMPTON Destination port NEW YORK Destination NEW YORK Country United States Destination country United States Ship name AQUITANIA Ship official number 135583 Ship master's first name GEO Ship master's last name GIBBONS Shipping line CUNARD WHITE STAR LIMITED City SOUTHAMPTON Ship destination port NEW YORK Ship destination country USA Ship registered tonnage 19297 Number of passengers 534 Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Category Travel & migration Subcategory Passenger lists Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
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20 Mar 2016 20:36 |
Just for a ref point
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 212 King Edward St Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Ann Marsh Head Widow Female Grocer 68 1843 Lincolnshire Caistor James Blackhall Alcock Nephew Single Male Undertaker And Joiner 35 1876 Lancashire Liverpool
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20 Mar 2016 20:35 |
Welcome to the boards Mary, have you searched trees for those named?
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