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23 Oct 2015 19:55 |
Thanks JoonieCloonie - thats great.
You start to doubt yourself when something disappears! There is a Linkedin page for him but considering his age, its probably dormant. I had been trying to find contact details for the organisations list but got no where fast.
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23 Oct 2015 20:05 |
Contact details for the Jack, Joseph and Morton Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences http://msass.case.edu/contact/
Their email address is on that link, but is short enough for Maureen to copy. [ Maureen said earlier that, as a novice IT user, she finds it difficult to copy and paste]
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23 Oct 2015 20:38 |
Detective unfortunately there is a Gertrude Matthews in that 1921 census who fits the bill and is not 'ours'
Name: Gertrude Matthews Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 34 > Birth Year: abt 1887 Birth Place: England Relation to Head of House: Lodger Father Birth Place: England Mother Birth Place: England > Year of Immigration: 1920 Racial or Tribal Origin: English Province or Territory: Manitoba District: Winnipeg South City, Town or Village: Winnipeg Section Number: 604 Jubilee Av Municipality: S Ward Occupation: School Teacher
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23 Oct 2015 21:37 |
Oh well, another one bites the dust.
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24 Oct 2015 10:20 |
ve family staying for a long weekend and so will not be able to follow up on anything, so don't think I have lost interest. I have emailed Rosa Bader and will see what happens. I don't think I have seen an envelope sign on messages. It is hard enough for me to refind things I have sent. I also find the tree difficult to navigate, but I will have a go entering in all these new finds, once I have copied them onto pen and paper - I really am a dinosaur electronically! Best Wishes Maureen
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24 Oct 2015 10:34 |
To access you 'sent message' box, hover your cursor over the word Message at the top of this page. A drop down list appears. One of the entries is Sent Mesages. Slide the curser down and click on it.
If none of the messages have an envelope icon next to them, then they've all been read. Obviously that applies to GR, not your normal email account.
Assuming you have a printer, ask if your family can help you copy and paste the thread into a word doc and print it off . We always joke that if someone needs help they ask a teenager ;-)
Time permitting, I'll try to compile a basic list of who, what and where. Enjoy your Family Time.
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24 Oct 2015 10:48 |
Have a good weekend Maureen :-)
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24 Oct 2015 22:02 |
Found Eric Matthew's wife
Name: Lelah A. Matthews Last Residence: 21014 Bel Air, Harford, Maryland, USA BORN: 10 Jul 1921 Died: 17 Aug 2008 State (Year) SSN issued: Kansas (Before 1951)
And her obit http://www.mccomasfuneralhome.com/obituary/L.-Aileen-Matthews/Bel-Air-MD/571417 Extract LELAH AILEEN MATTHEWS, age 87, of Bel Air, MD, passed peacefully in her home on August 17, 2008. She was born in Salina, KS, and the daughter of the late Homer and Lelah Jewell. She was married and the wife of the late LTC (Ret) Eric F. Matthews for 54 years. As an army wife, she lived many places throughout the United States and Germany. During her husband's last assignment at Fort Holabird, MD.....After her husband retired from the army in 1962, the family settled in Bel Air....She is survived by her daughter; Elaine Macko of Bel Air, MD; a son, Dr. George Matthews of Garden City, KS; three grandchildren.....
[MD is Maryland]
If you wanted to write to Elaine Macko, her possible address is here. https://address.radaris.com/Bel+Air+MD/CAMELOT+DR
Possible professional address for George Matthews https://www.doximity.com/pub/george-matthews-do
No obvious email addresses for either
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24 Oct 2015 23:00 |
Another obituary http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Emanuel-Matthews-30896904
EXTRACT
Emanuel "Manny" Matthews, age 87, resident of 2623 Myers Rd. Shelby died Tuesday November 25, l997 in Crestwood Care Center. Born January 10, l910 in Winnipeg, Canada to Samuel and Ellen (Walker) Survivors include his wife, Betty J. (Bumgardner) Royce** Matthews, whom he wed Oct. 15, 1976; one daughter, Rikki Matthews of New York City He was preceded in death by his first wife Ann Matthews.
** Royce was the surname she took on her first marriage, Burngardner was her maiden name. Betty is likely to be living, aged 79.
Added - Rikki S b 1950 is his daughter with Ann. She married a Mr Weiss
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24 Oct 2015 23:44 |
Remember Jacob Matthews born in Canada in 1917? His death
[Collection title added] U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 Name: Jack Matthews SSN: 281072302 Gender: Male Race: White Birth Date: 17 Jun 1917 Birth Place: Winipeg Mani, Canada Father Name: Samuel Matthews Mother Name: Ellen Walker Death Date: 18 Dec 2000 Death Certificate Number: FIX FOR "01" DOD 03/01 Type of Claim: Original SSN. Notes: Nov : Name listed as JACK MATTHEWS
As his SSDI record has listed his last residence as Alabama, perhaps he died on holiday
Name: Jack Matthews SSN: 281-07-2302 Last Residence: 35120 Odenville, Saint Clair, Alabama, USA BORN: 17 Jun 1917 Died: 18 Dec 2000 State (Year) SSN issued: Ohio (Before 1951)
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25 Oct 2015 00:52 |
Detective I'm just a bit confused
the social security records don't say where he died, just where he was born (Manitoba) and where his social security number (SSN) was issued (Ohio, that is, where he was living when he applied for the number)
likely he died in Alabama as that was his residence before death
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25 Oct 2015 09:37 |
Should have added the collection title for the first one posted. It was from the Florida death index. his death was registered there, but benefits paid to an address in Alabama, . That's what the holiday assumption was based on. ;-)
Actually, I did find another online reference giving a more precise Florida location. Will add that to this post when I'm on the PC. ...............
Apologies - it wasn't the Florida Death Index, but a précis of an Obit.
Obituary Daily Times Index, 1995-Current Dr. Jack Matthews Age at Death: 83 Birth Date: Abt 1917 Birth Place: Winnipeg MB Death Date: abt 2000 Death Place: Longboat Key FL Publication or Record Date: 21 Dec 2000 http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=MATTHEWS %2C%20Jack%20Dr&type=Keyword ...........
I'm wondering now If there was someone else called Jack Matthews whom I've picked up in error?
http://www.heathfuneralchapel.com/fullObit.php?id=849 Ann S. Matthews May 26th, 1922 - November 19th, 2014 92 Years Funeral November 24th, 2014 at 11:00 am Oak Hill Burial Park Lakeland, Florida she was preceded in death by her husband, Jacob "Jack" Pope Matthews, Jr, a former husband David C. Pearce, Jr & survived by (amongst others) son Jacob (Jack) P. Matthews, III ..........
I'm confused now :-S
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25 Oct 2015 10:43 |
Here's the source for Jack Matthew's wife being Hannah P
U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 Name: Jack Matthews Birth Date: 17 Jun 1917 Phone Number: 046-0000 [963-8046] Address: 825 Old Mill Rd, Pittsburgh, PA, 15238-1711 (1993) [500 Route 909, Verona, PA, 15147-3831 (1994)]
At the same address
Name: Hannah P Matthews Birth Date: 29 Aug 1917 Phone Number: 963-8046 Address: 500 Route 909, Verona, PA, 15147-3831 (1994) [825 Old Mill Rd, Pittsburgh, PA, 15238-1711 (1992)] ...........
So if Ann S Matthews had been living in Florida (from the obit) all of her life, its unlikely she was known as Hannah P and had lived in Pittsburgh.
What’s the odds that there were 2 Jack/Jacob Matthews being born in 1917 Winnipeg and dying Dec 2000,
I'm still confused!
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25 Oct 2015 11:08 |
This is probably the husband of Ann
U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current Name: Jacob Matthews Jr Birth Date: 20 Sep 1913 Death Date: 4 Aug 1989 Cemetery: Oak Hill Burial Park Burial or Cremation Place: Lakeland, Polk County, Florida, USA Has Bio?: N Spouse: Ann S. Matthews
Florida Death Index, 1877-1998 Name: Jacob Pope Matthews Race: White Age at Death: 75 Birth Date: 20 Sep 1913 Death Date: 4 Aug 1989 Death Place: Polk, Florida, United States
U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 Name: Jack Matthews SSN: 263-03-7266 Last Residence: 33803 Lakeland, Polk, Florida, USA BORN: 20 Sep 1913 Died: 4 Aug 1989 State (Year) SSN issued: Florida (Before 1951)
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 Name: Jack Matthews SSN: 263037266 Gender: Male Race: White Birth Date: 20 Sep 1913 Birth Place: Lakeland, Florida Father Name: J P Matthews Mother Name: Carrie Brannan Death Date: 4 Aug 1989 Type of Claim: Original SSN. Notes: Jan 1937: Name listed as JACK MATTHEWS
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The one posted earlier is still worth considering
Obituary Daily Times Index, 1995-Current Dr. Jack Matthews Age at Death: 83 Birth Date: Abt 1917 Birth Place: Winnipeg MB Death Date: abt 2000 Death Place: Longboat Key FL Publication or Record Date: 21 Dec 2000 http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=MATTHEWS %2C%20Jack%20Dr&type=Keyword ...........
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27 Oct 2015 02:30 |
Detective wonders what I think of the most recent Jack Matthews figuring, and I think she's got it figured!
Two very similar Jack Matthews, and the one in Florida with wife Ann has been ruled out as the wrong one. The other one looks like the right one. I'm not sure what the thing about place of death is, but other than that it looks all sorted.
in another 2 years the birth record in Manitoba will become available! (100 year rule)
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27 Oct 2015 10:57 |
Thanks JoonieCloonie. Will Maureen be willing to wait for 2 years? ;-) :-D
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27 Oct 2015 14:57 |
little bit of info about Hannah P Matthews that seems to fit with the family
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KLWM-CZ8
Name Hannah P Matthews Event Type Residence Event Date Oct 1954 Event Place Pennsylvania, United States Gender Female Nationality USA Education Level Master'S Degree Plus Additional Postgraduate Work Birth Year 1917 Employer Non-Profit Foundations, Private Hospitals Or Clinics Military Status No Report Society Name American Psychological Association Educational Major Psychology Year Obtained Degree 1942 Institution Granting Degree Ohio State University The - Columbus, OH Affiliate ARC Identifier 622629
has this marriage been noted?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3GL-7N1
Name Jack Matthews Titles and Terms Mr Event Type Marriage Event Date 16 Aug 1942 Event Place Franklin, Ohio, United States Age 25 Birth Year (Estimated) 1917 Father's Name Saml Matthews Mother's Name Galla Goldenbrg* Spouse's Name Hannah M Polster Spouse's Titles and Terms Miss Spouse's Age 24 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1918 Spouse's Father's Name Morris Polster Spouse's Mother's Name Lea Newbloom
* mother's name doesn't match for Jack but everything else does (Hannah P for Polster) - aha, it says Jack born Winnipeg on the original image, he a soldier and she a teacher
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27 Oct 2015 18:06 |
No - hadn't considered looking on Familysearch.
'Our' Jack/Jacob Matthews mother is supposed to be a Gladys Ellen Walker b London about 1888. Could she be another name-changer or has it all gone terribly wrong?
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27 Oct 2015 18:45 |
well given that they were Jewish and prone to a bit of name-changing ... :-)
I would not think 'Galla' (an uncommon but not rare Jewish name) and 'Gladys' to be incompatible
and as for Goldenberg (the marriage record does say Goldenbrg in the original) and Walker ... I'm afraid I haven't followed that bit at all, even the marriage to Matthews, but is her background known?
there isn't a birth to match those specs
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28 Oct 2015 11:37 |
Hello everyone. Recovering from family visit which was good. A correspondent on Rootschat found a Charles Bloomberg boot maker, aged 21 who boarded the Indiana at Liverpool, bound for Philadelphia on 6 June 1894. He suggested that Charles is a good exchange for Ezekiel, and the dates are good, plus his elder brother was a boot riveter. Can anyone find any trace of him please? Maureen
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